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Kool Stop Brake Pads vs. Shimano OE Brake Pads?

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Old 02-13-10, 12:13 AM
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Kool Stop Brake Pads vs. Shimano OE Brake Pads?

Spent today just cleaning and give my bike a complete tune up as I just installed a new set of Kool Stop brake pads for the New Year. I have a question for you that are running the Kool Stops. After putting these on, I get the feeling like a soft spongee pedal on a car. They feel kind of like a mushy feel to them compared to the Shimano’s. The Shimano’s have a solid firm positive feel to them as the Kool Stops feel like a spongee pedal. Will they ever have a solid feel once they break in? Any comments on these?
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Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
With automobile brakes, a nice "hard" pedal feel is a sign that the brakes are in good condition. A soft, "spongy" feel at the brake pedal is a sign of trouble, perhaps air in the hydraulic lines. This is not the case with bicycle brakes. A hard, crisp feel to the brakes on a bicycle may be a sign that the brakes don't have much mechanical advantage. You squeeze them until the brake shoes hit the rim, then they stop. Brakes with a high mechanical advantage will feel "spongy" by comparison, because the large amount of force they deliver to the brake shoes will squash the shoes against the rim, deforming them temporarily under pressure. You can feel this deformation in your fingers. The brakes with the rock-hard feel may seem nice on the work stand or the showroom floor, but when it comes to making the bike actually stop, the spongy set-up will do the job better, with less finger pressure and greater margin for safety in wet conditions.
Assuming you haven't changed anything else in your setup, what you're feeling is likely the different compound of the Kool-Stop pads.

My experience has been that salmon Kool-Stop pads deliver much better braking in general, and especially in wet situations.
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Originally Posted by x136
Assuming you haven't changed anything else in your setup, what you're feeling is likely the different compound of the Kool-Stop pads.

My experience has been that salmon Kool-Stop pads deliver much better braking in general, and especially in wet situations.
Wrong.

What he's feeling is the "plow-tip" creating a negative toe-in - if he's setting up the brakepads as usual.

OP: Grind/File of that stupid plow tip and enjoy non mushy braking.

We get semi-often complaints about this on new brake pad installations. The plow tip does nothing except waste time. The latest gen shimano compatible pads are supposed to have this 'feature' redacted
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The latest gen shimano compatible pads are supposed to have this 'feature' redacted

Yes, I think it's that water & muds tip that's causing the mushy feel. Are you saying they have a revised version available that eliminates the tip?
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the mushy feel gives a bit more modulation for me.

and just last thrusday, koolstops were good enough to stop me from rear ending a car on wet roads. I don't think the standard shimano pads would have done that in those conditions (and I don't care to find out).
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