I can understand that.

"job" lol

I thought this kind of navel-gazing threads was supposed to go away in the spring.

How do you say?
Oh Em Gee...

Just when I was about to begin another jewel of a thread...

this time to solicit BFs advice on whether you should put on your left or right shoe first?

Socks over or under?

hey I started a thread for these questions!

Look out guys--you're getting pretty far off topic. You know that's against the rules, right?

I don't have a problem with rules or moderation. I do have a problem when both are selectively enforced and used.

Being a dick and or an a-hole is obviously a legitimate part of the BF persona. Fine. Change the rules.

The serious part of the reply:

1) If you have a problem with a moderator action, take it up with an admin via PM (admins have 3 stars btw)

2) If you have a problem with an admin action, take it up with the head admin (Tom Stormcrowe for those who don't know)

3) If you have a problem with an action by Tom - yeah, good luck with that.

4) We have community guidelines. You all agreed to them, the mods & admins try to be equal and fair in our application of them, but members don't always see the entire story, nor are the mods/admins always perfect. (See points 1 - 3 above).

5) Last time I checked this forum was titled: "Road Cycling", not "What ever the people in Road Cycling want to talk about, start threads about, or make jokes about." We give ya'll a fair bit of leeway, but again there are guidelines, and we will try to maintain some level of civility and order. Don't agree with something, see points 1 - 3 above.

Ok, with that out of the way - I'll return you all to the randomness that this thread was drifting down regarding socks, shoes, and which to put on first.

Well I was a bit less than thrilled with how the Livestrong thread was moderated yesterday. It was clearly a politically motivated post to start with. When it all crashed into P+R the mod, , apologized to the OP and said others couldn't follow the rules.... How's that**********?

True, my students teach ME words. That doesn't stop the school from restricting me to showing G and PG movies, though.

Speak for yourself, white eyes.

That mod (er admin) was me. Yes there was political elements to the thread. However I understood that the OP was trying to inform fellow road cyclists about the political position of a group who puts together a cycling event. There were multiple requests to keep purely political posts out, etc, before the thread was closed and ultimately deleted. See points 1-3 in my post above, or I'll be happy to discuss further with you via PM.

Lastly, I don't see how that thread is any more political based than:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...r-Relationship
or even
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-friendly-bike

yet, there's not a single call to send it off to P&R in either of those threads.

Yeah I knew it was you,

I looked at those threads. They seem tame. Not much to fight about there. Not like health care reform, gay marriage or religion. I wasn't going to PM you to argue with you or whine about it. Nothing about that thread to discuss after the fact. It is your board to run the way you want to, not mine. But I will defend Livestrong if you let those kind of "political position" posts stay up in the 41.

I've never really understood this either.

the handful of regulars, who some folks are griping about getting special privileges, do more to effectively moderate this forum than locking or deleting threads ever could.

names?

While violating the code of conduct.

That's like saying, "The Mob runs my town but that's OK because the trash gets picked up on time and when I need something, I just pay a visit to my local Don and kiss his ring."

That reminds me...you haven't kissed my ring. You should show some respect.

I just noticed this. Nice job and it deserves some recognition.

Signal to noise ratio.

Everyone has their own threshold as to what's on topic for the sub-forum (Road, Track, A&S, ....)

Also, a lot of folks get really comfortable in a sub-forum (Road Cycling for example) and want to post everything there forgoing other, more appropriate, sub-forums. "How do I remove my Bottom Bracket?" is not a Road Cycling specific problem. So, stuff like that would best be directed to Mechanics. The same goes for off-topic threads.

I know that the humorous stuff is a tricky one. If you guys are comfortable here and know the members and the mood, it's easy to tell a joke or make a parody thread. Doing it in another sub-forum like Jokes and Humor or FOO might be like walking into a room full of strangers then telling a joke. I guess there's a fine line somewhere.

They don't pay you enough to deal with that, but we thank you for it anyway.

People tend to forget that a forum is a privately owned company and that free speech does not apply. The owner and his employees/volunteers/etc. have the right to censor, delete, and manage as they choose.

I propose we post everything under the Addiction thread and close down the rest of the board.

Don Chipeone, I got a stone in my shoe.

No they don't, but I knew that when I let them hang the extra stars next to my name.