two bikes....one pair of pedals
#51
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You never, ever save money by going with the cheapest option. You will always end up having to buy something better down the line, meaning you have ended up wasting your money. It is inevitable.
The same principle applies to effort as it does to money... going with the easiest option will usually mean you have to do it over again, and have to spend twice as much time.
The same principle applies to effort as it does to money... going with the easiest option will usually mean you have to do it over again, and have to spend twice as much time.
#52
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Bikes: n, I would like n+1
Generally speaking Speedplays have been very carefully engineered to prevent cross compatibility between their products.
#53
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You can thank me later for contributing to the used market so you didn't have to make the switch.
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
#54
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I've heard this often, and while I partially agree and understand the premise, I think that the original cost of the bike shouldn't matter.
Say that I get a POS Magna "mountain bike" from a garage sale for $15. The hubs soon turn to dust, the 6-speed SIS plastic shifters crap out, yadda yadda yadda. I score some Fulcrum MTB wheels from fleabay, a Fox fork at a swap meet, and an XTR group from Craigslist and slap all that onto the Magna frame.
Now I'd have a heavy frame with some kickass parts on it. It rolls nice, the wheels hold true, the shifters rock, etc etc. Altogether, it's a MUCH better bike than I had before, and the total cost is still a hell of a lot less than if I had bought a new Stumpjumper. Meanwhile, I keep my eyes out for a deal on a nice frameset -- and when that shows up, I've got everything ready to build it up.
Relevant to this thread, my point is, "pedals are pedals." Just because they get installed onto one old bike doesn't mean that they can't be removed later to be used on a newer, nicer bike. Might as well buy the good stuff instead of calculating its price on some percentage of the original bike price.
Say that I get a POS Magna "mountain bike" from a garage sale for $15. The hubs soon turn to dust, the 6-speed SIS plastic shifters crap out, yadda yadda yadda. I score some Fulcrum MTB wheels from fleabay, a Fox fork at a swap meet, and an XTR group from Craigslist and slap all that onto the Magna frame.
Now I'd have a heavy frame with some kickass parts on it. It rolls nice, the wheels hold true, the shifters rock, etc etc. Altogether, it's a MUCH better bike than I had before, and the total cost is still a hell of a lot less than if I had bought a new Stumpjumper. Meanwhile, I keep my eyes out for a deal on a nice frameset -- and when that shows up, I've got everything ready to build it up.
Relevant to this thread, my point is, "pedals are pedals." Just because they get installed onto one old bike doesn't mean that they can't be removed later to be used on a newer, nicer bike. Might as well buy the good stuff instead of calculating its price on some percentage of the original bike price.
You never, ever save money by going with the cheapest option. You will always end up having to buy something better down the line, meaning you have ended up wasting your money. It is inevitable.
The same principle applies to effort as it does to money... going with the easiest option will usually mean you have to do it over again, and have to spend twice as much time.
The same principle applies to effort as it does to money... going with the easiest option will usually mean you have to do it over again, and have to spend twice as much time.
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This is true a lot of the time...
IE, don't buy the cheapest bike shorts you can find... buy the higher-lower end or lower-mid-range item (or buy the top-of-the-line bargain brand, like the $60 10-panel shorts from that website). Although to be honest I don't think my slightly-above-the-cheapest Cannondale shorts are going to last all that long, plus they don't have enough padding on the sit bones. The reflective accents started to peel off within weeks of use.
As far as components go, don't get Tiagra, get 105... don't buy a $25 Walmart helmet (...seriously, don't... they have ZERO cooling and don't have stickers you need for the racing/tri!), and you should probably avoid the $40 LBS helmets... so buy the $60-90 model unless you crash a lot and have to replace helmets constantly. Otherwise you'll end up being out 25/40 dollars when you decide that your helmet doesn't cool enough (or at all), doesn't fit well enough, and isn't aero enough and buy a better one.
And when it comes to installing those $20 brake pads, do it right the first time instead of having to redo it or take it to the shop.
I'm sorely tempted to buy a Sette/Welgo pedal combo off PricePoint (the cheapest one they make is only $80!), but I'm 80% sure I'm going to regret doing so if I do, and you should usually go with your instincts because they're right most of the time.
Then again, I've heard some fairly good things about the $130 carbon fiber model with the SPD-SL-type pedals, but it's surprisingly easy to make something that looks so similar not work nearly half as well. I know that even if the shoes fit me, they're probably going to wear out and fall apart faster than the mid-level shoes that Specialized or Pearl Izumi make, and that the pedals are probably going to need to be adjusted much more often and will wear out in a shorter amount of time than Shimano or Crank Brothers pedals will.
...but $130...is still so tempting.
IE, don't buy the cheapest bike shorts you can find... buy the higher-lower end or lower-mid-range item (or buy the top-of-the-line bargain brand, like the $60 10-panel shorts from that website). Although to be honest I don't think my slightly-above-the-cheapest Cannondale shorts are going to last all that long, plus they don't have enough padding on the sit bones. The reflective accents started to peel off within weeks of use.
As far as components go, don't get Tiagra, get 105... don't buy a $25 Walmart helmet (...seriously, don't... they have ZERO cooling and don't have stickers you need for the racing/tri!), and you should probably avoid the $40 LBS helmets... so buy the $60-90 model unless you crash a lot and have to replace helmets constantly. Otherwise you'll end up being out 25/40 dollars when you decide that your helmet doesn't cool enough (or at all), doesn't fit well enough, and isn't aero enough and buy a better one.
And when it comes to installing those $20 brake pads, do it right the first time instead of having to redo it or take it to the shop.
I'm sorely tempted to buy a Sette/Welgo pedal combo off PricePoint (the cheapest one they make is only $80!), but I'm 80% sure I'm going to regret doing so if I do, and you should usually go with your instincts because they're right most of the time.
Then again, I've heard some fairly good things about the $130 carbon fiber model with the SPD-SL-type pedals, but it's surprisingly easy to make something that looks so similar not work nearly half as well. I know that even if the shoes fit me, they're probably going to wear out and fall apart faster than the mid-level shoes that Specialized or Pearl Izumi make, and that the pedals are probably going to need to be adjusted much more often and will wear out in a shorter amount of time than Shimano or Crank Brothers pedals will.
...but $130...is still so tempting.
Last edited by baribari; 04-28-10 at 05:03 PM.
#56
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Two pairs of pedals is most convenient. BUT, if you are patient and competent, you can use one pair of pedals for 2 minutes of work each time you transfer your pedals between bikes. On avoiding cross-threading, go by feel. If, when installing you feel "this is too much" resistance, just back out, and reposition. DO NOT FORCE the mount. Today's machining is great, things fit together nicely.
I switch out pedals all the time, no probelmo. Before applying the wrench, use your hand. If you can do can do the installation by hand until you reach the end and need a wrench to lock it down you have the threads lined up. If you are cross-threading, you'll get stuck using your hand after 1-1.5 turns. Oops. Even if you use a wrench earlier you can tell whether threads are mating. If it's smoothly turning its good. If you find you are exerting serious force, back out and start over.
Because R&L threaded pedals are designed to not unscrew under load, you don't have to wrench very tight. Give it a little noodge at the end (15 ft/lb torque) and you'll be set, and you won't have to use a mallet on your wrench handle to loosen the pedals.
Cross-threading and f***king your stuff up is the product of haste and/or basic mechanical incompetence.
I switch out pedals all the time, no probelmo. Before applying the wrench, use your hand. If you can do can do the installation by hand until you reach the end and need a wrench to lock it down you have the threads lined up. If you are cross-threading, you'll get stuck using your hand after 1-1.5 turns. Oops. Even if you use a wrench earlier you can tell whether threads are mating. If it's smoothly turning its good. If you find you are exerting serious force, back out and start over.
Because R&L threaded pedals are designed to not unscrew under load, you don't have to wrench very tight. Give it a little noodge at the end (15 ft/lb torque) and you'll be set, and you won't have to use a mallet on your wrench handle to loosen the pedals.
Cross-threading and f***king your stuff up is the product of haste and/or basic mechanical incompetence.
Last edited by Eclectus; 04-28-10 at 07:02 PM.
#57
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Sheesh. Swapping pedals is no big deal. I've been riding a long time, and it wasn't until last summer that I finally had a pair of pedals on every bike.
Grease the threads, finger tighten after making sure there's no debris in the threads, and then don't overtorque when you use the pedal wrench. It should take less than a minute. There is no danger in swapping out pedals hundreds of times.
If you swap pedals, you can always ride the good ones. If you have 4 or 5 bikes, the amount costs to stick pedals on all the bikes could easily buy something else you'd rather have. The other issue is that if you're not 100% sure you have the best pedal system for you, it's much easier to switch if you have fewer pedals.
Grease the threads, finger tighten after making sure there's no debris in the threads, and then don't overtorque when you use the pedal wrench. It should take less than a minute. There is no danger in swapping out pedals hundreds of times.
If you swap pedals, you can always ride the good ones. If you have 4 or 5 bikes, the amount costs to stick pedals on all the bikes could easily buy something else you'd rather have. The other issue is that if you're not 100% sure you have the best pedal system for you, it's much easier to switch if you have fewer pedals.
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I got multiple bikes, typically just get $12 pair of pedals to make a bike rideable if there are no pedals. If you really need to clip in on both bikes, do some temp work on the weekends.
Reminds me of when I only had a mountain bike and thought it would be smart to have slicks and knobbies and swap tires. No way! Then I got two wheelsets. That didn't even work for me. It takes several bikes ready to roll at any given moment.
I got my Mongoose sitting around with no pedals ATM, cuz I bought another bike for $18 that had foobared pedals, and I wanna sell it. I swapped pedals between it and my KHS a couple times, but no more.
Reminds me of when I only had a mountain bike and thought it would be smart to have slicks and knobbies and swap tires. No way! Then I got two wheelsets. That didn't even work for me. It takes several bikes ready to roll at any given moment.
I got my Mongoose sitting around with no pedals ATM, cuz I bought another bike for $18 that had foobared pedals, and I wanna sell it. I swapped pedals between it and my KHS a couple times, but no more.
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#60
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Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?
Sheesh. Swapping pedals is no big deal. I've been riding a long time, and it wasn't until last summer that I finally had a pair of pedals on every bike.
Grease the threads, finger tighten after making sure there's no debris in the threads, and then don't overtorque when you use the pedal wrench. It should take less than a minute. There is no danger in swapping out pedals hundreds of times.
If you swap pedals, you can always ride the good ones. If you have 4 or 5 bikes, the amount costs to stick pedals on all the bikes could easily buy something else you'd rather have. The other issue is that if you're not 100% sure you have the best pedal system for you, it's much easier to switch if you have fewer pedals.
Grease the threads, finger tighten after making sure there's no debris in the threads, and then don't overtorque when you use the pedal wrench. It should take less than a minute. There is no danger in swapping out pedals hundreds of times.
If you swap pedals, you can always ride the good ones. If you have 4 or 5 bikes, the amount costs to stick pedals on all the bikes could easily buy something else you'd rather have. The other issue is that if you're not 100% sure you have the best pedal system for you, it's much easier to switch if you have fewer pedals.
My beef is that the cost of pedals really isn't that much. If someone says they can't afford pedals, they either can't handle their finances at all or they must be posting from the public library or homeless shelter because they can't afford to pay for internet, a bed, or food either.
#61
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Get a pair of platform pedals. A lot of bike shops will basically give you used ones. Maybe put power grips on them. Then, if you want to go for a short ride, you can use that bike and whatever shoes you want. If you decide you want to have the clipless pedals for a longer ride, swap them.
#62
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By the way, this is pretty much my set-up, although I never actually swap the pedals. Candy C's on one bike, touring platforms with powergrips on the other (commuter). I have mountain bike shoes that I use on both bikes. The cleat is recessed enough that I don't notice it on the commuter, but it's still nice to have a stiff shoe. The power grips let me use hiking boots in cold or wet weather.






