How does the tire support the rim?
#51
Using a Park Tool tension meter,
A Mavic Aksium rear wheel has about 20 kgf less tension in the drive side spoke when it's at 100 psi, compared to the uninflated tire.
My old Campagnolo Vento front has 15 kgf less tension at 100 psi.
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There's a noticeable decrease in tension when the tires are inflated, at least with some rims. The physics of it is over my head, though.
#53
That doesnt matter..... If you have a heavier person sit on the same tire, the oval would increase in size, then the volume of air inside the tire would stay the same. The air that is compressed rushes to the rest and top of the tire, expanding the distance between the top of the tire and the top of the rim. Volume of air in no way changes.
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Volume is a term that defines quantity. In terms of the tire as a whole, the amount of air inside does not change. The air "compresses" in the tire, but the volume of air does not decrease. If you let the air out of the tire after riding, the same amount of air would come out of the tire as you originally put in, granted none leaked out. And the pressure does not change, and that is why you dont put 300psi in a tire.... 120 psi is stiff, but enough to allow slight compression to make a tire not become a solid entity. 120 psi allows the air to move upward in the tire as it rolls, and the pressure of the air inside the whole tire does not change, but at the particular spot in the tire, yes, pressure increases, but at the same time, the pressure forcing the air down toward the rim by the TOP of the tire also increases. So if you are trying to say pressure at a particular spot increases, then it does, but if you are saying the pressure inside the tire as a whole increases, then that is incorrect.
Amount of air nor pressure inside the whole tire does not change. If you want to create formula's that explain the pressures of a specific surface area, thats beyond my knowledge.
Amount of air nor pressure inside the whole tire does not change. If you want to create formula's that explain the pressures of a specific surface area, thats beyond my knowledge.
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Volume is a term that defines quantity. In terms of the tire as a whole, the amount of air inside does not change. The air "compresses" in the tire, but the volume of air does not decrease. If you let the air out of the tire after riding, the same amount of air would come out of the tire as you originally put in, granted none leaked out. And the pressure does not change, and that is why you dont put 300psi in a tire.... 120 psi is stiff, but enough to allow slight compression to make a tire not become a solid entity. 120 psi allows the air to move upward in the tire as it rolls, and the pressure of the air inside the whole tire does not change, but at the particular spot in the tire, yes, pressure increases, but at the same time, the pressure forcing the air down toward the rim by the TOP of the tire also increases. So if you are trying to say pressure at a particular spot increases, then it does, but if you are saying the pressure inside the tire as a whole increases, then that is incorrect.
Amount of air nor pressure inside the whole tire does not change. If you want to create formula's that explain the pressures of a specific surface area, thats beyond my knowledge.
Amount of air nor pressure inside the whole tire does not change. If you want to create formula's that explain the pressures of a specific surface area, thats beyond my knowledge.
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The air in the tire presses in all directions, including inward toward the hub. I don't know jack about physics and even I can figure that out. If you have a sensitive enough instrument you would be able to measure some drop in spoke tension although it might be tiny, depending on the psi and inherent rim strength (a deep V probably compresses less than a single-wall box rim).
Jobst Brandt has discussed (argued?) this stuff in The Bicycle Wheel and in usenet discussions. You should all read his Q&A on bikes. You can learn about bikes and also get a lesson in being blunt, condescending and prickly in internet discussions - good training for Bike Forums.
Jobst Brandt has discussed (argued?) this stuff in The Bicycle Wheel and in usenet discussions. You should all read his Q&A on bikes. You can learn about bikes and also get a lesson in being blunt, condescending and prickly in internet discussions - good training for Bike Forums.
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