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Old 07-24-10, 10:09 PM
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2011 Campagnolo Chorus

I think it is time for me to upgrade my groupo and have decided on 2011 Campy Chorus. Looking over the changes from 2010, the rear brake is now available in either single or dual pivot version. Is there a reason that i should want one over the other?

I probably have some time since I don't think 2011 Campy will be on the market for a few months. I might buy 2010 if there is some financial incentive to do so, but there has been some improvement such as better front dr shifts which might making 2011 worth buying.
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dual pivots provide better braking power at the expense of weight. Do you need the extra braking? that's up to you.
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Old 07-25-10, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zstjohn View Post
dual pivots provide better braking power at the expense of weight. Do you need the extra braking? that's up to you.
Not sure if it would make a difference or not. It also depends on how much weight it adds. I am not really a weight weenie so a few extra grams might not matter. As the 2011 product launch approach, there will probably be more reviews on this option.
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Old 07-25-10, 03:13 AM
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You don't really need dual pivot braking power on the rear since it mainly increases the chance of locking up the rear. My Centaur group has dual front and single rear and I've never felt that it was lacking in the slightest.
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Single pivot is fine. Put in your preorder.
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Old 07-25-10, 08:32 AM
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Thanks, I will check with some of the UK website and see if they take pre-orders.
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The dual pivot MIGHT be designed such that it can apply the same braking force as the front. If it is, then that's a mistake (like all the other brands). Ideally, the rear brake should have less power than the front, so there is less chance of locking up a rear tire. The only advantage with the dual pivot is that it should have a set screw for easy centering. The single pivot required both a 15mm wrench and a 5mm hex wrench for centering.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
The dual pivot MIGHT be designed such that it can apply the same braking force as the front. If it is, then that's a mistake (like all the other brands). Ideally, the rear brake should have less power than the front, so there is less chance of locking up a rear tire. The only advantage with the dual pivot is that it should have a set screw for easy centering. The single pivot required both a 15mm wrench and a 5mm hex wrench for centering.
The Campagnolo single pivot rear brakes do have a set screw for centering. They work great, with plenty of stopping power, but less than the front.

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I liked the single-pivot rear on the Chorus 11 bike I had for a week. I could squeeze both brakes with the same effort and the rear almost never locked up. It's how I would order a Campy group if I switched. I think the concept works.
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Originally Posted by kbbpll View Post
The anti-lock thing... not sure why Campy would be departing from this philosophy.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/ro...271.190.0.html
"The Super Record 11 Skeleton brakes continue in Campagnolo's tradition of a "differentiated" design: The front brake has two pivots, but the rear only has one. Given that your front brake provides the bulk of your braking power, it made sense to Campagnolo to lighten up the rear brake with the elimination of a superfluous pivot."

https://www.wrenchscience.com/road/br...+Skeleton/2009
"The system is differentiated so the front brake is more powerful while the rear one is lightened and easier to modulate, to reduce the danger of rear wheel locking. "
Not sure either, but it is offered as an option. I will probably call Campy and ask them why. Maybe they have it adjusted so it doesn't lock up.

Here is the press release on it.

https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...cord-11_130017

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Couldn't you just not squeeze as hard? I've never locked up my 105 rear brake, and they're better overall than my Veloce brakes. Is this one of those things that's a real problem that I just haven't been in the correct situation to appreciate it?
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dave can correct me if i'm wrong, but i dont think there are any changes from 2010 to 2011 that will effect shifting performance at all. i have the current version of chorus-11, and it performs flawlessly, shifting is precise and required significantly less effort than my 10-sp stuff.

i would imagine that with the introduction of the updated 2011 changes, the 2010 stuff should be reduced in price, if so - thats the direction i would go in for the savings.

re: single or dual pivots: doesnt matter, IMO, you'll adapt to either.
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Don't forget lickbike.com with respect to price/$$$. In the past, they have been lower than probikekit. A friend bought Chorus group within the past month at something around $1000-$1100 I think, when the Euro was at about $1.20. In the past 2 weeks or so the Euro has strengthened to about $1.29, so prices are likely higher for Campy. I suspect that the Euro will be back down to around $1.20 in about 3-5 weeks.
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Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
The Campagnolo single pivot rear brakes do have a set screw for centering. They work great, with plenty of stopping power, but less than the front.

Show me where that set screw is located.
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Old 07-26-10, 06:56 AM
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Right now, a Chorus group is $1030 from Shiny Bikes and $1536 from Licktons.

https://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

https://www.lickbike.com/productpage....9;7181-69'
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Originally Posted by AngryScientist View Post
dave can correct me if i'm wrong, but i dont think there are any changes from 2010 to 2011 that will effect shifting performance at all. i have the current version of chorus-11, and it performs flawlessly, shifting is precise and required significantly less effort than my 10-sp stuff.

i would imagine that with the introduction of the updated 2011 changes, the 2010 stuff should be reduced in price, if so - thats the direction i would go in for the savings.

re: single or dual pivots: doesnt matter, IMO, you'll adapt to either.
I read some where that they changed the ramps on the front dr to make shifts on the front easier. They also changed something in the shifters so it requires less effort to shift. Might not be a big deal. I suspect that they do these things so that the public thinks that the product is "New and Improved" when it really is about the same. I will wait and see what pricing looks like before I buy either 2010 or 2011.
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I could be mistaken, but it appears as if Lickton's Campy Group prices have recently jumped up quite a bit.
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I really hope Campy can price these things at under a grand. Sram rival has forced shimano to come out with a new 5700 AND price it lower so maybe we can get 11 speed without breaking the bank?
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Campy Athena 11-speed was going for $799 at Lickton's just about 2 weeks ago, but now it's up over $1k. I'm assuming this is still the 2010 group.
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I spoke with Campy about the difference between 2010 and 2011 Chorus.

The dual pivot rear brake doesn't make sense. As the Campy guy said, you can lock up a single pivot if you wanted, which of course is bad, so why do you need more power? The dual pivot is more complex and heavier too.

The front ramps have been improved on the front crank so a little faster shifts.

The throw on the shifters is slightly improved.

If 2010 is cheaper than 2011, then I would buy 2010.

2011 should be available in September.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
Right now, a Chorus group is $1030 from Shiny Bikes and $1536 from Licktons.

https://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

https://www.lickbike.com/productpage....9;7181-69'

Or is it $1213ish at lickbike?
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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
Or is it $1213ish at lickbike?
I don't know. I just went to their site, found groups and add a Chorus 11 group to my cart. It came up at $1556.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
Show me where that set screw is located.

It's the post sticking out halfway down the right caliper arm.

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Dual pivot for the rear is a great option for a tandem. When I built mine I had to look for an older Record setup to satisfy my wants.
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That's the spring tension adjustment screw, and has little effect on centering.

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