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Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914557)
Alot of the bikes I see on here are set up more like comfort cruisers than aggressive riding. I bet if there was some random test with a whole bunch of bikes with the names covered up, 99.9 percent of the guys hoo haa-ing over the 9 will not be able to tell the difference. http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._1691146_n.jpg Excuse the lack of drive-side ness. |
Welcome to the Cult Rydox. Nice CAAD. For next time, take off saddle bag and put the chain in the big ring, but otherwise, wise choice.
Ride it like you stole it. ;) |
Originally Posted by 2ndGen
(Post 12905905)
Yeah! NICE! Thanks for that! :thumb:
I'm glad Dorel (cough cough), I mean, Cannondale is sticking with Aluminum! I hope they build an aluminum bike that can compete head on with carbon! They've already built a carbon bike that can compete with aluminum when it comes to durability (EVO). |
Originally Posted by Shuagster
(Post 12915285)
Welcome to the Cult Rydox. Nice CAAD. For next time, take off saddle bag and put the chain in the big ring, but otherwise, wise choice.
Ride it like you stole it. ;) That actually makes me want to retake the picture haha. |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914557)
I really don't get the bitterness towards the 10. So what if its made in Taiwan? Would you feel better if the bike was made by an Asian that is an American citizen, or do you prefer the bike to be made by a pair of "white" hands. I have yet to hear of any failures from the CAAD10. I've looked at 9's and 10's side by side...the 9's welds are not any cleaner. I swear the guys saying the 9 has cleaner welds are making it up.
"Quality" come from quality control...and that in the end comes from Cannondale. Alot of the bikes I see on here are set up more like comfort cruisers than aggressive riding. I bet if there was some random test with a whole bunch of bikes with the names covered up, 99.9 percent of the guys hoo haa-ing over the 9 will not be able to tell the difference. There a small handful of guys that post here which I consider to be credible...and 2ndgen is not one of them. :) What there "is" is this defensiveness posture mostly by non-CAAD owners that is more prevalent. And this is a fanboy thread. Don't bring any flaming here. Again, any "reasonable" person would note that the CAAD10 is not a proven entity yet. That has nothing to do with subjective judgement. It is just an objective fact. It still has years to go. I'm hoping that the torch was handed down to a worthy successor. From what I've seen, it seems that it has been. But demeaning the CAAD9 isn't the way to prop up the CAAD10. No CAAD9 owner dislikes or envies a CAAD10. Even those who've actually gone from CAAD9's to CAAD10's note that while it is better, it is marginally better. I haven't read one review by actual owners that the 10 in any way blows the 9 out of the water. CAAD10 owners respect CAAD9's...they know where their legacy comes from. I personally reserve judgement (with hope). You ruin the experience for CAAD owners. Disagreements are cool, but personal insults are not. Read the OP...it's about the bike, not the owners here. Go flame me on on another thread where I will gladly deal with you, but keep this thread free of that immaturity. Do you even own a CAAD? Matter of fact, don't bother answering. Something tells me it wouldn't make a difference. |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914627)
Lol...what exactly does that mean?? Are you implying that the Super Sixes are some how softer than the CAAD9?
Are you trying to make claims about things you have no proof of again? ;)
Originally Posted by Cannondale
(Post 12914627)
EVO IS EVEN STRONGER THAN THE LEGENDARILY TOUGH CAAD9
THE ULTRA-LIGHT EVO OUTPERFORMS MOST ALUMINUM FRAMES IN DESTRUCTIVE AND FATIGUE TESTS. It doesn't say this about the SuperSix. So, your argument is with Cannondale. |
Originally Posted by Shuagster
(Post 12914736)
welcome to the addiction.
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Originally Posted by xxguitarist
(Post 12915169)
I can't say I'm one of those types, though.
Excuse the lack of drive-side ness. |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914557)
I have yet to hear of any failures from the CAAD10.
Have you ridden them? |
Originally Posted by Rydox
(Post 12915389)
Thanks Shuagster! Just came back from an early 30 mile ride that morning (thus the lights) and car was parked at the top of a really steep hill at the finish. Chain lives on the big ring 99% of the time. I just got caught :p
That actually makes me want to retake the picture haha. |
Originally Posted by tagaproject6
(Post 12915298)
What is the source of this claim?
Originally Posted by Cannondale
(Post 12914627)
EVO IS EVEN STRONGER THAN THE LEGENDARILY TOUGH CAAD9
THE ULTRA-LIGHT EVO OUTPERFORMS MOST ALUMINUM FRAMES IN DESTRUCTIVE AND FATIGUE TESTS. |
Originally Posted by Rydox
(Post 12915108)
http://i.imgur.com/zboB4.jpg
My first road bike and I am so glad I went with a CAAD. 2011 CAAD8 105 Have only changed a few bits on it so far: Ksyrium ES, Conti GP4KS, and 105 pedals. There's no doubt this thread was a definite influence in my purchase. It's certainly not as nice as all of the gorgeous CAADs posted here, but I've been very very happy with it to get me started. Just looking to improve myself first before I move on to a better overall setup. Also, please forgive me if I have made any newb mistakes :o http://www.brightideasandservices.co...20hands---.gif |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914557)
Would you feel better if the bike was made by an Asian that is an American citizen, or do you prefer the bike to be made by a pair of "white" hands.
There a small handful of guys that post here which I consider to be credible...and 2ndgen is not one of them. :) Yes, and I refuse to feel bad for wanting to support local manufacturing. And yes, your implication that it has anything to do with race makes me think a lot less of you. |
Originally Posted by JeffS
(Post 12916335)
Yes, and I refuse to feel bad for wanting to support local manufacturing. And yes, your implication that it has anything to do with race makes me think a lot less of you.
Especially since I am considered a minority in this country. There was no call to suggest that in a discussion about manufacturing. |
All in all, I have full confidence that Cannondale will produce a great product with the CAAD10. I never said anything different or to the contrary. I just don't understand the unreasonable rush to judgement. A CAAD is a CAAD is a CAAD is a CAAD no matter where it's made; As long as it's still controlled by the Cannondale's Engineers and product designers.
Those who pit CAAD9's against CAAD10's need to relax and just let time the tale (not forecast). That being said, I wish Cannondale had left production in the U.S.. Dorel (a Canadian company that owns Cannondale now) just didn't have the same interest to preserve the employment of American workers. There was no need to go overseas other than to save money in production and even though they did save a lot of money with the CAAD10, they still raised their prices. There was a time when you could get a top of the line CAAD for $800. (just two years ago). Now, good luck trying to get that frameset for under $1,200. For a beginner, that $400. makes the difference between just getting a bike and getting a bike and the accessories to go with it (shoes, gear, pedals, etc...). It's undeniable that Asia makes good bikes. I never criticized a "people" for their manufacturing. What I saw was a concern among the first buyers of CAAD10's for heavier riders (i.e. 200lbs +) was the design they used to develop the new frames (thinner aluminum forming at junctions of the frame to save weight). "If" CAAD10's prove themselves to be as good as CAAD9's for everybody (not just 150lb riders), then Cannondale will have truly pulled off an engineering accomplishment. More power to them. It'd be nice to see an Aluminum frame receive the same time, effort, research and attention that carbon gets. But from what I've read, carbon is farrrr cheaper to produce with unskilled labor than metal is. (Pardon the rant.) |
Originally Posted by 2ndGen
(Post 12915695)
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Originally Posted by JeffS
(Post 12916335)
Yes, and I refuse to feel bad for wanting to support local manufacturing. And yes, your implication that it has anything to do with race makes me think a lot less of you.
Quality comes from whoever does the quality control. So if the CAAD10 take a dip in quality...its not on the hands of the workers...its on Cannondale. I really wish more people would understand that. Being made in a certain part of the world today is more for image and ego than anything else. |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12914557)
I really don't get the bitterness towards the 10. So what if its made in Taiwan? Would you feel better if the bike was made by an Asian that is an American citizen, or do you prefer the bike to be made by a pair of "white" hands. I have yet to hear of any failures from the CAAD10. I've looked at 9's and 10's side by side...the 9's welds are not any cleaner. I swear the guys saying the 9 has cleaner welds are making it up.
Regarding the quality - I can't speak for the CAAD10, as I've never ridden one. I think it's a safe assumption (and yes, it's just an assumption) that the design is an advance on the CAAD9. But in terms of pure appearance, the welds on the CAAD10 look bloody awful compared to the 9. |
Quality comes from whoever does the quality control. So if the CAAD10 take a dip in quality...its not on the hands of the workers...its on Cannondale. I really wish more people would understand that. Being made in a certain part of the world today is more for image and ego than anything else.
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12917339)
but isn't that the implication in the first place? Assuming that a pair of Asian hands can't do as well as a pair of American hands?
Again, you're soiling this thread. Please, go away. http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/1165.png http://askharriete.typepad.com/.a/6a...5890970c-400wi |
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Originally Posted by DGlenday
(Post 12917432)
In my case (and I am not speaking for anyone else here) it's very simple: All other things being equal, I'd rather have the $$ I spend on a bike go toward the take-home wages of an American family - and keep the cash in circulation in the US economy.
Regarding the quality - I can't speak for the CAAD10, as I've never ridden one. I think it's a safe assumption (and yes, it's just an assumption) that the design is an advance on the CAAD9. But in terms of pure appearance, the welds on the CAAD10 look bloody awful compared to the 9. I know good quality work when I see it. CAAD9's were made well. Period. CAAD10 designers used CAAD9s as their base and went on from there improving "upon" what the benchmark that the CAAD9 had already established (Here comes the "that's your opinion! Where's the proof!" post which I'll in turn refer them BACK to the Cannondale site that they seem to not read anyway). |
Originally Posted by I <3 Robots
(Post 12917507)
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L_hnrFuQYI...25282%2529.jpg |
Originally Posted by 2ndGen
(Post 12915686)
Very nice XX. Welcome aboard. :thumb:
I'm just hanging around here because I may be moving somewhere a bit hillier & will be looking for some of those extra gear things. |
Originally Posted by xxguitarist
(Post 12917637)
Thanks, although I've had that bike for well over a year.
I'm just hanging around here because I may be moving somewhere a bit hillier & will be looking for some of those extra gear things. It just reminds me of the bikes I saw growing up, but modernized. Classic lines, but with a unique thought put into it's design. Just about any CAAD looks nice to me. :) |
Hey! I feel like I've been cheated! Where's the freakin' bike porn???
Counting down the hours to the end of my work day- heading to my LBS straight after to pick up my new CAAD8.5! My first road bike, and first new bike! Pictures to follow... |
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