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10-05-10 | 06:41 AM
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10-05-10 | 07:07 AM
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And meanwhile amateur folks are training at wee hours of the morning or late at night... just to bump their ftp for mere 10's of watts.
Sad
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10-05-10 | 07:29 AM
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10-05-10 | 07:30 AM
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Let's just hope cycling can ever get a handle on this. I'm starting to have my doubts. That plastic transfusion bag residue test is a good one eh? That's new. So now they'll store the blood in pepsi bottles.
10-05-10 | 07:32 AM
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They ride bikes, I ride bikes - there the comparison ends.
10-05-10 | 07:32 AM
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That's it. I'm going to start doping.
Oh wait.
I can't afford it and I'm afraid of needles.
Never mind.
Oh wait.
I can't afford it and I'm afraid of needles.
Never mind.
10-05-10 | 07:51 AM
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Why would a Wookie, an eight-foot tall Wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does NOT MAKE SENSE! [the jury listens] But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. [Gerald buries his head in his hand, shaking his haed at the disaster his case is being turned into] Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does NOT MAKE SENSE! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a Tour de France winner, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [apporaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does NOT MAKE SENSE! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. [walks back to his table]
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10-05-10 | 07:51 AM
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It would scare me enough to know that they can find trace amounts of the plastic bag that carried my blood into the hotel.
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
Change to Maple Syrup and minced Garlic. Far more flavorful.
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10-05-10 | 07:58 AM
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Actually from a legal point of view, this lays out very interestingly.
Given that the test for the plastecizer apparently has not been fully validated yet, they can't sanction him for blood doping on the basis of that test.
However, to the extent Contador tries to explain the chenbuterol positive, with the tainted meat theory, and argues that the very low level is evidence of that, he opens the door to the sanctioning authority to rebut that theory by showing its explained by blood doping with blood containing a small amount of chenbuterol.
So the evidence of the plastecizer doesn't come in as a violation in its own right, but as a rebuttal to Contador's defense.
This puts AC in a real box, either offer no defense to the chenbuterol, and lose, or open the door for the plastecizer test.
Given that the test for the plastecizer apparently has not been fully validated yet, they can't sanction him for blood doping on the basis of that test.
However, to the extent Contador tries to explain the chenbuterol positive, with the tainted meat theory, and argues that the very low level is evidence of that, he opens the door to the sanctioning authority to rebut that theory by showing its explained by blood doping with blood containing a small amount of chenbuterol.
So the evidence of the plastecizer doesn't come in as a violation in its own right, but as a rebuttal to Contador's defense.
This puts AC in a real box, either offer no defense to the chenbuterol, and lose, or open the door for the plastecizer test.
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10-05-10 | 08:17 AM
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Regarding b), because testing is now taking into account indirect evidence for proof of doping. No one gets faster by ingesting plasticizers, but they are being used as an indicator of a blood transfusion. I'm not saying indirect evidence isn't valid, but it opens the door, as rangerdavid said, to all kinds of accusations, witch hunts, suppositions, etc.
10-05-10 | 08:21 AM
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Merlin ... LOL! You must have loved the OJ trial.
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
10-05-10 | 08:23 AM
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Given the ridiculous sensitivity of these tests - I mean, come on, picograms? - and given just how hard the hammer comes down on people who are caught - I'm amazed that anyone who is a serious GC contender would be doing any sort of doping.
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
10-05-10 | 08:33 AM
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Given the ridiculous sensitivity of these tests - I mean, come on, picograms? - and given just how hard the hammer comes down on people who are caught - I'm amazed that anyone who is a serious GC contender would be doing any sort of doping.
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
10-05-10 | 08:48 AM
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Yup .... to try and keep up with the Cat 2,3 and masters 35+ & 45+ that dope too ... It ain't just the pros.
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