Help with pedals and shoes please
03-24-11 | 09:29 PM
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Help with pedals and shoes please
Hello, I just purchased my first pair of speedplay zero and shimano shoes. Up until now I have been using toeclips. I purchased zeros because I believe I still need some float as I am figuring out where my feet need to be pointed. The shimano shoes have a large hole in the front that goes all the way into the shoe. The zero cleats do not cover this hole. The guy at the shop did not say anything about this. Do I need different shoes?
Also on my first century ride the bone petrusion below, and on the outside of both the knees were very sore when I woke up the next day. I believe it was because I kept my toes pointing in rather than letting them point slightly outwards. Since then I have been letting my toes point slightly outwards and the pain has for the most part gone away. I am slightly bow legged. I don't know if I ride with my knees outward as I have never followed myself
Thanks for any thoughts on this matter in advance.
Also on my first century ride the bone petrusion below, and on the outside of both the knees were very sore when I woke up the next day. I believe it was because I kept my toes pointing in rather than letting them point slightly outwards. Since then I have been letting my toes point slightly outwards and the pain has for the most part gone away. I am slightly bow legged. I don't know if I ride with my knees outward as I have never followed myself
Thanks for any thoughts on this matter in advance.
03-24-11 | 09:34 PM
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I could be wrong, but I am guessing the extra hole in your shoe you are referring to is the one for SPD cleats? Pictures are helpful to describe exactly what you are talking about. As long as you have the cleat securely fastened to the shoe, I wouldn't worry about it.
03-24-11 | 09:47 PM
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I just bought the same shoes and was wondering what that hole was for also. I do know that it way to close to the front of the shoe to be covered up by any cleat I know of.
03-24-11 | 10:20 PM
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The hole is there as a vent. As long as it doesn't irritate anything I'd ignore it.
My old shoes were shimano SPD-SL basic road deals. You do get a nice refreshing blast of water when its wet. Most likely it won't sorten the shoe's life by anything significant. Wear and tear from walking/riding as well as your sweat would probably contribute more to shoe breakdown.
A PT (physical therapist, not power tap) once told me if you walk like a duck, run like a duck - I apply that to cycling too. Pedal how its comfortable, don't force anything, I think thats the point of a floating cleat. Just like walking/running everyone does it differently. As long as you are relatively efficient and pain free I wouldn't worry about toe position. If pain persists shell out the money for a fit (should be under 100.00, maybe 150.00 b/c some charge extra to look at the cleat position and pedals). Fits are worth every penny if it helps fix a pain issue
and sorta related to your question is a Q&A segment from velonews
from velonews
My old shoes were shimano SPD-SL basic road deals. You do get a nice refreshing blast of water when its wet. Most likely it won't sorten the shoe's life by anything significant. Wear and tear from walking/riding as well as your sweat would probably contribute more to shoe breakdown.
A PT (physical therapist, not power tap) once told me if you walk like a duck, run like a duck - I apply that to cycling too. Pedal how its comfortable, don't force anything, I think thats the point of a floating cleat. Just like walking/running everyone does it differently. As long as you are relatively efficient and pain free I wouldn't worry about toe position. If pain persists shell out the money for a fit (should be under 100.00, maybe 150.00 b/c some charge extra to look at the cleat position and pedals). Fits are worth every penny if it helps fix a pain issue
and sorta related to your question is a Q&A segment from velonews
from velonews
Q. Nick,
What’s the consensus in the Euro’ peloton, fixed or floating cleats?
— James Bailey
A.James,
Much like your local peloton, the pro peloton is made populated with all sorts of shapes and sizes and physiological tendencies and requirements. Plenty of pros like a fixed cleat, but just as many ride with float.
I’ve said this over and over, but don’t let what the pros ride influence what you ride when it comes to what your body needs. Contact points and bicycle fit are highly personalized. If you have success with fixed cleats, stick with them.
Lately, VeloNews tech writer Caley Fretz has played with running a fixed cleat on one foot and a float cleat on his leg that has historically had some knee issues. He typically likes the feel of a fixed cleat (a sensation of better power transfer, etc.), but a fixed cleat hasn’t worked too well on his bum leg lately. In a great display of outside-the-box thinking, he tried just one float cleat with, so far, success.
The risk with a fixed cleat is that its position needs to be really dialed or it can create problems. Best advice is to ignore the pros and chat up your local bike fit guru.
What’s the consensus in the Euro’ peloton, fixed or floating cleats?
— James Bailey
A.James,
Much like your local peloton, the pro peloton is made populated with all sorts of shapes and sizes and physiological tendencies and requirements. Plenty of pros like a fixed cleat, but just as many ride with float.
I’ve said this over and over, but don’t let what the pros ride influence what you ride when it comes to what your body needs. Contact points and bicycle fit are highly personalized. If you have success with fixed cleats, stick with them.
Lately, VeloNews tech writer Caley Fretz has played with running a fixed cleat on one foot and a float cleat on his leg that has historically had some knee issues. He typically likes the feel of a fixed cleat (a sensation of better power transfer, etc.), but a fixed cleat hasn’t worked too well on his bum leg lately. In a great display of outside-the-box thinking, he tried just one float cleat with, so far, success.
The risk with a fixed cleat is that its position needs to be really dialed or it can create problems. Best advice is to ignore the pros and chat up your local bike fit guru.
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03-24-11 | 10:24 PM
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As for the knees, it could be from an incorrect seat height or fore/aft position. Your toes pointing inward or outward should be a matter of how your legs are built (bow legged, knock kneed, rotated hips, whatever), and forcing them to an unnatural position usually isn't a good idea.
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03-25-11 | 11:16 AM
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Thanks fellas. Went for a ride with them in the rain today. Had apersonal best on my 30 miler. Also fell over at an intersection when I turned my heal the wrong way. My knees feel good so far. Thanks again for the feedback.
03-25-11 | 11:49 AM
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03-25-11 | 12:23 PM
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FYI, watch your seat height, the stack height of the cleat/shoe is probably higher than the shoes you were wearing before, so effectively it makes your seat a little closer to the pedals than it used to be.
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