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Old 04-16-11, 01:29 PM
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I have been training for a 50 mile ride coming up on the 30th of april. I started in feb. and have 420 miles in so far. This week I feel realy week and the rides that I usualy do feel harder. my times and average speeds are down. At the beginning of each ride this week My legs felt spent right off the starting block. Do I need to take some time off the bike? I have two weeks untill the big day. How should I use them?
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like any workout you need recovery days, also if you have been sick or anything that will make your rides harder as well. Have you been riding every day? If so how many miles and what kind of riding?
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Are you mixing up your rides - longer / shorter / faster / slower / hills / flats? Does your training include recovery rides and days off? Changes in diet / sleep? Sickness? Weather conditions? Keeping track of all the variables will help you peak for your goal on the 30th.

Some days I feel like I can ride forever - next time out I get worked. Maybe I get overconfident and push too hard out of the gate. Humbling when someone blows by me on their fully-loaded commuter and I'm sucking wind 15min into my ride. When I doubt I blame the wind.
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Could be over training. Or some sort of illness or injury.
420 miles in 3 months is really not a lot. But if you were starting from zero, then you need to take care not to ramp up too quickly.
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maybe you're sick. maybe you haven't trained enough. not likely that you're overtrained with 420 miles. maybe you're just in a lull.
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Where does one start to hit overtraining in number of miles per *insert unit time*?

Any general figure?
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Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller
Where does one start to hit overtraining in number of miles per *insert unit time*?

Any general figure?
Some people can ride 500 miles/week or more without overtraining. Depends a lot on your fitness level and intensity.

Generally, if you increase your mileage or intensity more than 10% per week, then you have to be careful about burning yourself out.
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Date
Location
Distance
Average
Time
Summary
02/12/11
wk # 1
16.5mls
Lake Kawea
2nd ramp to rymers
16.5 miles
10.7


Rode alone.Almost passed out durring a break.269 pound
02/19/11


Mooneygrove loop
16.5
13.8


Windy- Boy I am out of shape
269 pounds
02/20/11
wk #2
33mls
Mooneygrove loop
16.5
14.7
1hr8min
Felt good. Light wind.
03/05/11
wk #3
17mls
Parked in lemoncove. .
Dry creek rd.
17
Slow pace


Back at it after a bout with the flue. Rode with mark and garret.perfect weather.Finaly better after my sickness
03/09/11
Mooneygrove loop
17.7
15.5
1hr6min27sec
Hard ride after chinese food.light wind.
03/10/11
Moonygrove loop
17.47
16.5
1hr3min24sec
Better.windy-out of the north(medium)
fed the geese.
03/12/11
Moonygrove loop
17.77
12.3
1hr26min33sec
Rode with mel.she rode my race rocket and kicked ass!!!!!
03/13/11
wk # 4
83.52mls


month #1 total :
150.02mls
Parked at exeter wtrtwr.Rode to oaktree.
30.58
10.7
2hr50min43sec
Rode with Norm today.Bit off more than I could chew, but I did make it.Bring food next time idiot!!!!
3-15-11


tulare
5.6
-----
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Peddle fell off-crank arm ruined!!!!! was going to do the mooneyloop.Bike in shop on wed.
03/17/11
Moonygrove loop
17.77
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No computer.Rode my race bike. I am to fat for it, I could'nt breath.
03/18/11
wk #5
39.7mls
Mooneygrove loop
16.33mls
15.5ave
1hr3min32sec
Very windy!!!!rode with my new cranks.felt sick after ride-rode so hard.
03/22/11
Bikeshop loop
18.72mls
14.7ave
1hr16min17sec
Very windy/crosswind.stopped to see byron-almost sold a bike.Got a flat.hard ride.
03/25/11
Mooneygrove loop
16.38mls
15.2ave
1hr4min32sec
Medium wind. After work ride.felt bloated at first from lunch, then came into my own.
03/27/11






wk #6
59.76mls


Mooneygrove-tulare loop.
24.66mls
14.7ave
1hr40min20sec
Went to lunch with the grandmas.chickenpot-chickenpot-chickenpot pie!!felt like I rode with a rock in my gut.Fresnocycling club canceled!!!! sissies!!!












04/01/11
Moonygrove loop
16.61mls
15.0ave
1hr6min.14sec
First ride all week(chris robinson on wed.) hard ride! But felt good.
04/02/11
Parked at yhokal crossing and rode to oak tree
16.22 mls
12.3ave
1hr19min8sec
Rode with dave and norm-rode hard on the way back to catch up to two riders-closing the gap by myself was tuff.Caught them about 1/4mle from finish!!!!!
04/03/11




wk #7
69.59mls
Parked at shaw and academy and rode the doyle's store loop
36.76mls
14.ave
2hr37min49sec
Rode with the fresno cycling club. Started out at 19ave for the first 10 miles-then I hit the wall.Last 20 was like hell on wheels. Talked politics with Ken. I do not know how to debate. Had fun
04/06/11
Moonygrove-tulare loop
22.34mls
14.9ave
1hr29min39sec
Was going to ride easy—then came Gabe!! drafted at 18mph to mooneygrove.rode the rest alone.
04/09/11
Parked at gas station below kawea dam, rode to wymeres icecream parlor
20mls ?
?
Very fast
Rode with my son today!!!!! Agreat day!!! He whipped my old ass. His first ride in 2 years!! Forgot my computer today, dang. I love you Darick.
04/10/11


wk #8
68.56mls


month #2
total
237.61mls
Moonygrove-tulare loop
26.22mls
12.8ave
2hr2min48sec
Recovery ride!! took it slow and enjoyed the sights for once. Fed the geese and then got mexican pastries, ugmm ugmm.
04/14/11
Moonygrove-tulare loop
22.46mls
14.7ave
1hr31min52sec
Feel like I broke a small bone in my foot clicking out of the peddles.Got a cramp in my right calf for a few miles. Dam I'm getting old.
04/15/11
Mooneygrove loop
16.17mls
14.1ave
1hr8min53sec
Foot hurt still-no calf trouble. Took it some what easy. Windy today.got paid to
04/16/11
Parked at yokohl intersection and rode past the oak tree
24.02mls
11.9ave
2hrs0min49sec
Rode with D.J. He makes it look easy. I don't think he even sweated.felt week at start and then at the end I felt better. Thanks for riding with me D.



Here is my log. the week end rides are hilly. mid-week flats
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I'd say stop riding with people. Ride by yourself at your own pace. Spin the pedals and stop throwing up just because you're riding so hard. If you're just trying to make 50 miles without dying, you can do that by riding a consistent pace keeping your heart rate low. It sounds like you're making yourself sick and bonking because your nutrition is lacking and you are riding at a heart rate that isn't sustainable for you. Keep it below 140 bpm, stay in a higher gear, spin and ride a consistent rpm. Do that and you'll gain fitness.
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