I like it. Somethings just work, original or not.

Of course they do not care. Your point?

You brought it up and provided a dire warning for me to not be naive about corporate america. Go back to your cave.

I was pointing out that the sycophantic attitude some hold is how people can get away with vast, grand lies, which is becoming increasingly clear that the whole LA / Livestrong was. You then brought in Corporate America.

So if it all comes crashing down, does he lose all his titles/medals? What does Livestrong do, anyway?

Scorched Earth Policy. Destroy it all. The Emperor has no Spandex.

Let the Kids with the Alleycats take over.

Now I see what you've done here, Pcad: Created a Venus fly trap for unsuspecting roadies with attitude.

I'm on to you!

What is really sad is LA's story is really a compelling and inspiring one. I wished he had hired lawyers that would have explored the possibility of immunity of some kind in exchange for truthful testimony from him.

So sad.

/thread lock

How would this change the fact that his story is a lie?

At least he won't end up in jail for perjury or worse.

How can you be sure? Are you certain what he testified to with the GJ? And if he is included in any indictment stemming from Novitsky's investigation. Too little information for us to make that conclusion one way or another.

Poking around it seems one of their functions is to point patients towards drug trials. I guess the drug companies do well out of that.

I do think they are starting to get the doping under control and that it's changing in pro cycling.

I didn't read the whole thread as it appears to be the same stuff over and over. The bottom line right now is that George says he never spoke to 60 Minutes. So it's now up to 60 Minutes and CBS News to produce the conversation, interview, whatever.

Frankly, if CBS News told me the sky was blue, I would not believe them. They have a history of making it up as they go along. Dan Ratheresque....

I saw a bunch of the interview that Tyler did. He really does not answer the questions he's asked. "Did you see Lance do this or that???" "We all did it..." "I saw it in in refrigerator..." He was asked if he saw Lance dope, which is a yes or no question. He can't answer yes or no.

BTW...I understand that Hamilton has a book coming out. What a shock.

Bottom line....if Lance doped and everyone else doped, he still kicked the sh!* out of everyone who mattered in the cycling world for seven years. And Floyd's ride was still one of the greatest efforts I have ever seen and I don't care what he was on. It's still epic.

Believe what you want. But in that interview Tyler appears to be looking for his vanishing twin.

George Hincapie denies reports he has implicated Lance Armstrong in doping investigation

George Hincapie, currently riding in the Tour of California, has denied talking to CBS who last night reported that he was the latest rider to line up against former US Postal colleague Lance Armstrong and give evidence that the seven time Tour de France winner used performance enhancing drugs.



the story is here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...stigation.html




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It seems the allegation is that George talked to the FDA (?) under oath and said he saw Lance dope. Apparently this is what CBS is picking up. But in true CBS fashion, no one is sure and if George said that, that's the first I've heard of it. But I have a life and don't hang on every word on this stuff.

The next paragraph from the same article:
"Hincapie has not however denied that he has give evidence to the Federal Grand jury who are currently investigating the alleged used of PHS at US Postal over a decade ago, nor had he denied the content of the CBS reports. He has simply denied talking to them."

"I saw (EPO) in his refrigerator. I saw him inject it more than one time... yeah, like we all did. Like I did, many, many times." (Said while shaking his head in the affirmative.)

It's a pity the zeal allocated to figure out if entertainers (people watch athletes for entertainment) used chemicals to achieve results isn't directed towards financial and physical crimes that wreck lives. Sports need to be cleaner than they are, but dedicating so much energy to witch hunts that change the official results of events so far after the fact seems pretty damn pointless.

We can take comfort in knowing Ullrich will get his TdF victories rightly credited to him, as he never doped to enhance his performance at that race.

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I've lost track of the argument. What was this thread about?

New article, same story, same BF comments that have been made again and again. It is just tiresome.

I view this as the zeal generally reserved for going after those committing financial and physical crimes that wreck lives (a la Kenneth Lay and Bernie Madoff) being directed toward athletes/entertainers. But I get your point.

There's a trick I use for that -- I don't read threads that don't interest me.

Except when I don't care because I'm wasting time. Which is practically always.

I think it becomes more intriguing when someone of Hincapie's stature is cited as saying he participated in doping with LA. But since you feel the way you do, why devote the keystrokes and mouse clicks to the discussion?