What ever became of the Trek Pilot series of plush relaxed geometry machines? Do they even have such a category anymore? 2012?
A friend of mine had a Pilot upper end series and it was a very nice comfy rider.

Don't have an answer for you but my wife just got a 4.5 Madone with the H3 fit. She was convinced at MTB with slicks was the only thing that would work for her. She is very happy with the Madone's upright fit.

For a slightly laxed geo, the new 3 or even 4 series Madone in an H2 or H3 might fit the bill. They are really nice, slightly relaxed geometry. You could even check out Treks "Commute" area which includes both flatbar bikes as well as drop bar bikes, all with more relaxed geo.

If you were looking for an even more relaxed geo, check out their Recreation line!

Hope this helps!

>Chris

A lot of Trek models now have various geometry's designated at H1, H2, or H3. H3 being the most relaxed. My 5.9 has an H2 frame and seems plenty comfortable to me. I've done plenty of longer rides on it to include several over 100 miles and have no issues with the comfort.

Thanks.......I want to stay in the racing type class of machines. Coming from 3 racing geometry frames.

Any frame is relaxed with a stem like that (just jabbing ). I have my bars tilted up a bit so the shifters are at a weird angle.... But it's what I like!

I have a madone 4.7 H2. It's considered slightly more "relaxed" than H3 but I think it would depend on getting fit for your specific body type. A Madone may or may not be the answer. I think the Madone have a slightly longer top tube per frame size which may or may not be more relaxed depending on fit. You could equally set up a Madone to be pretty aggressive. Of the other bike in my limited experience. The Fuji CCR was more upright, as was the Fuji ACR than my Madone but the sizes were all different. Recently before buying the MAdone I found the Specialized Rubioux to be more relaxed than my Madone, and the Tarmac maybe more aggressive but I'm not really sure there was much difference. I would think most here would agree fit would have a lot to do with it, and for comfort don't get a frsm/fork that's too stiff. The LBS has the opinion that the Madone 4 series are pretty stiff compared to the giants and cervello they sell but who knows.

Try it yourself. The difference between a properly set up 2.1 and a properly set up 4.5 may be undetectable to you. If so, save the $1000.

BTW, a 25* stem will give most bikes the feel of an H3 for $50. Here's a comparison calculator: https://www.brightspoke.com/t/bike-stem-calculator.html .

The Pilot was kind of a Giant knockoff. It really didn't sell well. And in retail, that's the kiss of death.

By knockoff I am not inferring a negative connotation. It was simply their attempt at compact geometry.