Hot Women Will Laugh at Cyclist... According to GM
10-14-11, 08:19 AM
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I had a car full of girls next to me at a stop light giggling at me a while back. I figured they were laughing at the spandex, and then one of them says 'you have a great ass...' then the light turned green and they took off, leaving me to wonder how they knew I had a donkey...
10-14-11, 08:51 AM
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Good to know some kids still have fun! The colleges near me (Harvard/MIT/UMass) - sometimes I can't even detect a heartbeat, let alone some goofy fun.
10-14-11, 09:32 AM
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I shouldve mentioned that the downtown section of our University is for music and art majors...they think anything that comes out of their mouth is clever
10-14-11, 10:00 AM
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Some of us believe on not negatively affecting the rights and well-being of others.
10-14-11, 11:05 AM
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The discussion was centered on pollution. You burn more fuel, and produce more exhaust, to produce more power. Others breathe the exhaust. I'm not anti-car; they're a necessary evil. I do think there's no reason that we shouldn't have more stringent efficiency standards on vehicles.
Maybe I'll rig a lawnmower to belch the ugliest smoke I can manage, and run it continuously. I don't have a lawn to mow, so it'll just sit on the sidewalk and churn out smoke. Why? Because I want to, and I've got Freedoms, just like someone has the Freedom to drive a truck with a friggin' hemi around simply out of want. Who cares how it affects anyone else?
Having the right to certain enumerated freedoms is not the same as just doing whatever you want all the time. Some of what you want is likely to conflict with the rights of others.
Maybe I'll rig a lawnmower to belch the ugliest smoke I can manage, and run it continuously. I don't have a lawn to mow, so it'll just sit on the sidewalk and churn out smoke. Why? Because I want to, and I've got Freedoms, just like someone has the Freedom to drive a truck with a friggin' hemi around simply out of want. Who cares how it affects anyone else?
Having the right to certain enumerated freedoms is not the same as just doing whatever you want all the time. Some of what you want is likely to conflict with the rights of others.
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10-14-11, 11:09 AM
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The discussion was centered on pollution. You burn more fuel, and produce more exhaust, to produce more power. Others breathe the exhaust.
Having the right to certain enumerated freedoms is not the same as just doing whatever you want all the time. Some of what you want is likely to conflict with the rights of others.
Having the right to certain enumerated freedoms is not the same as just doing whatever you want all the time. Some of what you want is likely to conflict with the rights of others.
I don't get how driving a car with a big engine conflicts with the rights of anyone. Explain.
10-14-11, 11:36 AM
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rw is right on this one, and you should bite both of us.
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10-14-11, 11:46 AM
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But how does it negatively effect YOU? Who is more dangerous to the world, a lady who drives a V-8 Suburban 10 miles a day to the grocery store or a guy who drives a Prius 80 miles a day to and from work?
I don't get how driving a car with a big engine conflicts with the rights of anyone. Explain.
I don't get how driving a car with a big engine conflicts with the rights of anyone. Explain.
I don't even like electric cars. They might be even worse, due to them being fueled by coal, and used more due to lower cost of operation and perceived ecological impact.
Where the rights of others comes in to play is: Do you have the right to pollute the environment I live in? More realistically, the question has to be "to what degree do you have that right?" In this case, I support the notion that regulating emissions and such protects my right to not be unnecessarily poisoned by strangers.
Sure, you have to get around, and sometimes that means driving. It doesn't mean you should be allowed to dump as much waste as you want into the environment.
rw is right on this one, and you should bite both of us.
10-14-11, 12:05 PM
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The guy in the ad is a total Fred so of course he should be embarrassed for himself and all of cycling.
But I'm not sure that's what's going on. The women appear to be checking him out. He could be covering his face because he's tired of being hit on all the time.
But I'm not sure that's what's going on. The women appear to be checking him out. He could be covering his face because he's tired of being hit on all the time.
10-14-11, 12:17 PM
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That's apples and oranges. You'd have to compare the same trip. The question becomes 10 miles in a Suburban vs. 10 miles in anything that gets even average gas mileage. Or 80 miles. It doesn't matter; that's what the point of preventing such vehicles from entering the market would be.
I don't even like electric cars. They might be even worse, due to them being fueled by coal, and used more due to lower cost of operation and perceived ecological impact.
Where the rights of others comes in to play is: Do you have the right to pollute the environment I live in? More realistically, the question has to be "to what degree do you have that right?" In this case, I support the notion that regulating emissions and such protects my right to not be unnecessarily poisoned by strangers.
Sure, you have to get around, and sometimes that means driving. It doesn't mean you should be allowed to dump as much waste as you want into the environment.
Opinions can't be right or wrong, but they can be self-centered.
I don't even like electric cars. They might be even worse, due to them being fueled by coal, and used more due to lower cost of operation and perceived ecological impact.
Where the rights of others comes in to play is: Do you have the right to pollute the environment I live in? More realistically, the question has to be "to what degree do you have that right?" In this case, I support the notion that regulating emissions and such protects my right to not be unnecessarily poisoned by strangers.
Sure, you have to get around, and sometimes that means driving. It doesn't mean you should be allowed to dump as much waste as you want into the environment.
Opinions can't be right or wrong, but they can be self-centered.
10-14-11, 12:23 PM
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How much does the factory that made my car pollute? Since we know trans-oceanic container ships are some of the most polluting forms of transportation in the world, how many cars fit on a container ship? How many bikes fit on them?
10-14-11, 12:36 PM
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And you're right that you can do whatever you are legally allowed to do. You can even do illegal things if you want. There are also reasons people choose not to do things, even though they may technically be allowed to.
Thinking the free market will always cure everything is idiotic, though, which is why I'd like to see emissions more tightly regulated.
The factory that made your bike probably pollutes the planet 10X's as much every day as several hundred cars.
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10-14-11, 12:46 PM
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It's true that every car does this. In my statement, I allowed that, in the modern world, the realistic question becomes one of degree. How much should the government regulate emissions? And you're right that you can do whatever you are legally allowed to do. You can even do illegal things if you want. There are also reasons people choose not to do things, even though they may technically be allowed to.
Didn't those several hundred cars also have to be produced? Again, this is a matter of degree. Is everything black and white with you? If I own only the one bike (and get around that way), and never drive, that's still less impact than having a bike and a car, and driving where I need to be. I never claimed my life has zero impact, but I at least don't go out of my way to make sure I leave a trail everywhere I go. I think it makes sense to affect other people as little as possible.
Didn't those several hundred cars also have to be produced? Again, this is a matter of degree. Is everything black and white with you? If I own only the one bike (and get around that way), and never drive, that's still less impact than having a bike and a car, and driving where I need to be. I never claimed my life has zero impact, but I at least don't go out of my way to make sure I leave a trail everywhere I go. I think it makes sense to affect other people as little as possible.
I think this car vs pollution argument pretty much explains why hot girls laugh at us.
Now, where were we again? Oh, yes, PCAD's 50K post, GM stinks, Giant is funny, and Hot Girls are both fascinated and repulsed by men in spandex.
Frankly, I am both fascinated and repulsed by myself in spandex, so how can I blame them?
10-14-11, 12:54 PM
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She's laughing because she accidentally stumbled onto bike forums once and seeing that guy reminded her of the experience.
10-14-11, 01:00 PM
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Too bad your zinger went unnoticed because of the disagreement. Personally I thought it was pretty funny!
10-14-11, 01:07 PM
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My guess is she is thinking, "look how hairy his arms are! I wonder if his back is Berber or Deep Shag?"
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It's true that every car does this. In my statement, I allowed that, in the modern world, the realistic question becomes one of degree. How much should the government regulate emissions? I obviously think that regulations should be much stricter. Screw Suburbans. Screw coal.
And you're right that you can do whatever you are legally allowed to do. You can even do illegal things if you want. There are also reasons people choose not to do things, even though they may technically be allowed to.
Thinking the free market will always cure everything is idiotic, though, which is why I'd like to see emissions more tightly regulated.
Didn't those several hundred cars also have to be produced? Again, this is a matter of degree. Is everything black and white with you? If I own only the one bike (and get around that way), and never drive, that's still less impact than having a bike and a car, and driving where I need to be. I never claimed my life has zero impact, but I at least don't go out of my way to make sure I leave a trail everywhere I go. I think it makes sense to affect other people as little as possible.
And you're right that you can do whatever you are legally allowed to do. You can even do illegal things if you want. There are also reasons people choose not to do things, even though they may technically be allowed to.
Thinking the free market will always cure everything is idiotic, though, which is why I'd like to see emissions more tightly regulated.
Didn't those several hundred cars also have to be produced? Again, this is a matter of degree. Is everything black and white with you? If I own only the one bike (and get around that way), and never drive, that's still less impact than having a bike and a car, and driving where I need to be. I never claimed my life has zero impact, but I at least don't go out of my way to make sure I leave a trail everywhere I go. I think it makes sense to affect other people as little as possible.
10-14-11, 02:35 PM
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The thing is, the choices you make affect everybody else. Part of the job of government is managing "the tragedy of the commons." There are lots of ways to do that, none of which are especially pleasant for those who are used to taking advantage of the commons.
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The fact that everybody pollutes the air I breathe doesn't mean that my right to breathe clean air isn't infringed.
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