Feeling fast vs going fast
#26
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and dont even get into tire pressure factors and the varying "fast" or "slow" feelings that come back from varying pressures. Just like frame diff, its deceiving how high pressures seem "faster" vs lower pressures (said pressures of course differing with rider weight and tire size)
I never believed it until being more trying diff pressures and relating times and shock impact on regular rides that I do.
I never believed it until being more trying diff pressures and relating times and shock impact on regular rides that I do.
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#29
I feel slower on my steel framed bike than on my carbon bike on the same commute route to work where I climb up into the mountains. In fact, I am slower, just over 2 mpg average speed slower. In fairness, the carbon bike is lighter, not just because of its frame, but lighter components and narrower tires, etc, all those things folks will tell you make no difference. 
Oh ya, I was sure my workout on Sunday was my fastest I’ve ever done that route, I was flying…….I was 1mph off my average over the 35 mile run, I was not even close to a PR, but it felt fast.

Oh ya, I was sure my workout on Sunday was my fastest I’ve ever done that route, I was flying…….I was 1mph off my average over the 35 mile run, I was not even close to a PR, but it felt fast.
#31
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If you ever get the chance, read the book, Influence. People are programmed to do comparative analysis poorly. If you ride bike A, and then ride bike B, slight variations will be mentally magnified: if it felt slower, you will perceive it as feeling much slower. When you ride item C, you will end up comparing it to B, and magnifying the differences to A.
Its all in your head, as that is the way we are built.
Its all in your head, as that is the way we are built.
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If you ever get the chance, read the book, Influence. People are programmed to do comparative analysis poorly. If you ride bike A, and then ride bike B, slight variations will be mentally magnified: if it felt slower, you will perceive it as feeling much slower. When you ride item C, you will end up comparing it to B, and magnifying the differences to A.
Its all in your head, as that is the way we are built.
Its all in your head, as that is the way we are built.
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maybe. if the carbon is stiffer, it probably accelerates faster, and that might be noticeable...but it won't change your avg speed much over the course of the ride.
i haven't ridden Ti (or a nice steel road bike for that matter), but i would guess road feel also has something to do with it. don't steel and Ti have a softer ride than carbon? that might make them feel a little less quick and snappy...don't really know, just speculating.
i haven't ridden Ti (or a nice steel road bike for that matter), but i would guess road feel also has something to do with it. don't steel and Ti have a softer ride than carbon? that might make them feel a little less quick and snappy...don't really know, just speculating.
#37
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I know a lot of variants affect the "real" speed, but whatever the difference may be, it pales in comparison to how fast/slow you "feel" on different bikes. I am just not sure what's the biggest contributor to this "feel". I can rationalize the carbon stiffness but it can't be just that making it "feels" so much faster that the steel/ti.
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I remember a marketing class I had in college. We were reading about flavoring taste tests in jellies and chocolate puddings. If they took the colors out of the jellies the people could not tell what flavor they were. The tastes of the chocolate puddings were primarily based on the darkness of the chocolate. Lighter chocolate meant "smooth and creamy" while darker was richer and bold even though it was the same chocolate.







