Are The LOOK Folks Dumb?
11-04-12, 04:22 PM
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Can't we just waste our time arguing about something we can find an answer for? Like what the best wheels are?
11-04-12, 05:30 PM
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I bought a Colnago C59 in JUne of this year.
I would have bought the polka dot TdF commemorative C59 if I did not already own a C59.
If I was a Lemond fan, I would have probably popped for the LOOK bike.
I would have bought the polka dot TdF commemorative C59 if I did not already own a C59.
If I was a Lemond fan, I would have probably popped for the LOOK bike.
11-04-12, 05:43 PM
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If I could justify a Look 695, it'd be my frameset of choice. Not sure about the special edition one though.
11-04-12, 09:03 PM
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Ya, most of the posts are like a pack of wolves circling their prey waiting for a hint of fear or the smell of blood and once that fine line is drawn and crossed it's in for the kill so to speak. I have never seen a forum with so many threads that go into a tail spin for no real reason as I have here.
11-05-12, 06:20 AM
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By the lottery of birth, yes. There is a great deal of research on social mobility in the study of social inequality - tracking people over the course of their lives, and how their economic circumstances change. This is not an ideological question, it is an empirical one, and there is a lot of empirical evidence on this.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
11-05-12, 09:23 AM
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By the lottery of birth, yes. There is a great deal of research on social mobility in the study of social inequality - tracking people over the course of their lives, and how their economic circumstances change. This is not an ideological question, it is an empirical one, and there is a lot of empirical evidence on this.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
11-05-12, 10:35 AM
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11-05-12, 10:42 AM
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LOOK is a boutique brand. $7.5K for this frameset is not insane....just like $1,500 for a burberry pea coat is not insane. There is a market for it. It doesn't take a genius to see what LOOK is doing here. They have a premium image and need to have it premium priced of their brand gets de-valued. Go to their website and "look" around, they even have clothing boutiques with very high end clothes. It's simply the image the company wanted to convey.
Ferrari all the time comes out with limited editions for thousands and thousands of dollars more. Is it a better car? no, usually it's just a new paint scheme and maybe some red stitching in the seats or some dragon badging (year of the dragon 458 italia edition) but it's limited in quantity and it commands a high price and people buy it.
Ferrari all the time comes out with limited editions for thousands and thousands of dollars more. Is it a better car? no, usually it's just a new paint scheme and maybe some red stitching in the seats or some dragon badging (year of the dragon 458 italia edition) but it's limited in quantity and it commands a high price and people buy it.
11-05-12, 10:49 AM
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I think you're exaggerating a little. This article Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs indicated that 26% of the people raised in the top tenth of income stay there. That means most of the people in the top 10th weren't 'born' there.
11-05-12, 01:07 PM
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By the lottery of birth, yes. There is a great deal of research on social mobility in the study of social inequality - tracking people over the course of their lives, and how their economic circumstances change. This is not an ideological question, it is an empirical one, and there is a lot of empirical evidence on this.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
The hard data is unequivocal - out of OECD countries (ie developed/ industrialized countries), the USA has the lowest level of social mobility, and social mobility has plummeted in the USA over the last couple of generations (since the late 1970s).
What does this mean? It means that the single greatest predictor of one's life chances in the USA are determined by the economic position of one's parents. Rich people, with very few exceptions (and fewer every year...), were born rich. So yes, they did luck into their money. The best way to become a millionaire is to be born one.
2 children of the lowest achieving son; one completes high school and is struggling to maintain a middle to lower middle class existence, the other one gets a BA, an MD, and an MBA, becomes a senior exeuctive, and is part of the 1%.
All these people had the same tickets in the lottery, and ended up in very different places by the choices they made, and possibly to a lesser degree their intelligence ( although its difficult to say whether superior academic performance was due to intelligence, or application.)
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11-05-12, 01:17 PM
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11-05-12, 01:24 PM
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Many people make lousy choices, and the collective weight of those bad choices get them to bad places. That doesn't mean you can't succeed if you make good choices.
I get the data, that where your born as a statistical matter has a signficant influence on where you end up, on a population basis. That in no way means that an idividual cannot control to great degree how successful they are by the choices they make.
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How has this thread not been junked over to the trash bin known as P&R yet?
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I don't know. Not for a lack of effort on my part.
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This is a great thread! A lot of useless information and even name-calling! Keep it going!!!
As for me, I may order the cheaper Asian-variant and put my own Look decals on it and play the part. Hopefully it won't crumble on the Montrose ride...
As for me, I may order the cheaper Asian-variant and put my own Look decals on it and play the part. Hopefully it won't crumble on the Montrose ride...