Originally Posted by Cowboy905

LOOK is a boutique brand. $7.5K for this frameset is not insane....

Originally Posted by merlinextraligh

It's actually not. There's a very simple way to do it. Go to school, study hard. Anyone in this country that wants a college education can get it. And having a college education greatly increases your potential to be monetarily comfortable, if not affluent.

Many people make lousy choices, and the collective weight of those bad choices get them to bad places. That doesn't mean you can't succeed if you make good choices.

I get the data, that where your born as a statistical matter has a signficant influence on where you end up, on a population basis. That in no way means that an idividual cannot control to great degree how successful they are by the choices they make.

Originally Posted by himespau

How has this thread not been junked over to the trash bin known as P&R yet?

Originally Posted by smoke

actually, the large majority of millionaires in this country are self-made. i agree with a remark that a million ain't what it used to be, but still, the best way to become a millionaire is to go out and get a million bucks

Originally Posted by Inertianinja

bikeforums logic:
I cannot afford it, therefore it is a waste of money.
I do not want it, therefore anyone who does is dumb.

Originally Posted by merlinextraligh

Then how do you explain my wife's family: Grand Parents, working class, did not complete High School. Their 3 children, one gets a Masters Degree, and rises to a high six figure income as a Corporate Executive, one gets a Bachelors, and has a solid middle class life, one does not complete high school, and scrapes along in the lower middle class.

2 children of the lowest achieving son; one completes high school and is struggling to maintain a middle to lower middle class existence, the other one gets a BA, an MD, and an MBA, becomes a senior exeuctive, and is part of the 1%.

All these people had the same tickets in the lottery, and ended up in very different places by the choices they made, and possibly to a lesser degree their intelligence ( although its difficult to say whether superior academic performance was due to intelligence, or application.)

Originally Posted by abstractform20

does Look make the Motobecane frames, or does Motobecane make Look frames? Gigantex wheels?

Originally Posted by roadwarrior

Equal opportunity does not equate to equal outcomes. This is something totally lost on a whole pile of folks these days who recently had their sayso in who will continue to run things.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior

Equal opportunity does not equate to equal outcomes. This is something totally lost on a whole pile of folks these days who recently had their sayso in who will continue to run things.

Originally Posted by Commodus

Well, generally speaking, given very large sample sizes...I think it actually does equate to equal outcomes.

Originally Posted by smoke

actually, the large majority of millionaires in this country are self-made. i agree with a remark that a million ain't what it used to be, but still, the best way to become a millionaire is to go out and get a million bucks

Originally Posted by Brandonub

I don't really get the idea that someone has to be super rich to buy a halo bike. People blow $35K on cars that aren't even anything special (you can spend that much for a Honda Accord) and people barely bat an eye, but if the same guy buys a $25K car and a $10K bike, people look at him like he's done something absolutely bizarre.