Best welds I've ever seen were on a Merlin Ti. Just beautiful.

Cool. Scandium is a doping agent that allows a finer grain structure in the al around the welded joint right?

If you follow the rules, Ti is actually the easiest metal to weld into those nice little scales. Just don't tell anyone, because people are conviced you have to have inhuman skill or something to be able to achieve that look.

Yeah Munchie, most alloying agents are either there to improve grain structure or improve the materials overall fatigue resistance.

doesn't the welding need to be in a little argon bubble or something to exclude oxygen from the process?

(I'm waaaay over my head here, so feel free to flame if I'm out by miles...:D)

I found me some edumacation: http://www2.sjsu.edu/orgs/asmtms/artcle/articl.htm

How long is a piece of string?........

What's a good price for a second hand Colnago Dream Lux (alu) with Ultegra?

The piece of string is twice the length from the middle to one end, but I have no idea about the price for the bike :D

Thanks, I'll make them an offer:p

Actually, it's for Hitchy

Typically a good price for a bike is roughly half of what you just paid for it, even with the 'generous' discount taken into account. :D

Qbike have the frame alone listed at USD1600 (AUD2100)
http://www.brauns.com/gc/gc_item.exe?K=PFRCOLDRM1

Thanks.

I forgot about the Colnago 'Australian Warehouse' site
http://www.colnago.com.au/

There's some reasonable prices in that lot :)

Good to see you've adopted the online pricing bible. Or were you using that before? Oh, should I post a close up of the welds on the tandem for all to comment?

Yeah. I found that site at about the same time I ordered the Cervelo.
They had a couple of Master X-Lights (the steel one) for about $1800 (frame and fork).
I considered it, but Thylo reckons the new, steel Colnagos are mostly crap. :p

I can't afford to look at bike prices. I just googled to see what one looked like, and up came Qbike.

And if you post some shots of the welds I'm sure we will all gaze in awe and wonderment :D

Yes, the prince of frames reigned in the 80's but is not so revered these days.

A customer at my local shop just paid 900 bucks each for two oldish steel Colnago bricks.
One of them is just cro-mo, and they both weigh about 2150g -- frames only!!

they are....buy a steel Merckx or De Rosa instead.

SS MTB (Aussie Champs?) race and Cyclo-Cross race in Melbourne ??

I heard about a couple of races coming up this and next weekend from the local shop in Syd. Anyone in Melb know what's up with them? Details are sketchy as to who/where/when. I am keen to find out how they go so I can see what to expect when we do a CX race up here later in the year.

There's an article on a colnago dream on cyclingnews:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005...gators_colnago

Thanks

Have to share a Billy Brownless (former footballer, now on radio) faux paus:

He referred to a plastic surgeon as a "cosmic surgeon".

When trying to say "oxymoron", he said "mixy doran"

Can I interest anyone in a brand new 2005 Ultegra 10 crankset with BB? Please let me know if you're interested.

I don't understand what the facination is with some of the Euro brands. Back on the late 80's/early 90's when the mass merchants were starting to hit the pacific rim and starting to actually get the quality right, brands like Colnago and Pinarello et al were caught napping and lost a boatload of sales to the new, lighter bikes not only from companies that set up in the Pacific Rim but also US brands like Cannondale and Merlin who were some of the first to venture into new materials sucessfully.

I'm very condemning of some of the big Italian names because I think most of them are solely trading on their former reputations and little else. Some of the latest models are just overpriced overrated crap, and all they have going for them is their euro-trash aesthetic. Scapins and Pegorettis are perhaps the standouts, but they fall down in the geometry department so it's hard to recommend them either.

As much as it pains me to sometimes admit it, the Seppos build some great bikes - probably the best bikes in the world at the moment. Most of which absolutely trounce most things coming out of Italy.

Sure, I'd buy an old Colnago master if I had some spare cash, but purely for nostalgia reasons...and I'd do so knowing full well that it would have 52mm of rake regardless of the head angle, weigh 5lbs and probably snap at the head tube if pushed, and look like it was painted by a 10 year old with a stencil and a spraycan. :D

what don't you like about the Scapin geometry?