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Originally Posted by Thylacine
...and look like it was painted by a 10 year old with a stencil and a spraycan. :D
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Where the hell is Wattsy? I'm guessing at CA meetings all the time:
"my name is Wattsy and I'm a cyclist. It's been three weeks since my last post on the Aussie Thread..." |
Originally Posted by Thylacine
I don't understand what the facination is with some of the Euro brands. Back on the late 80's/early 90's when the mass merchants were starting to hit the pacific rim and starting to actually get the quality right, brands like Colnago and Pinarello et al were caught napping and lost a boatload of sales to the new, lighter bikes not only from companies that set up in the Pacific Rim but also US brands like Cannondale and Merlin who were some of the first to venture into new materials sucessfully.
I'm very condemning of some of the big Italian names because I think most of them are solely trading on their former reputations and little else. Some of the latest models are just overpriced overrated crap, and all they have going for them is their euro-trash aesthetic. Scapins and Pegorettis are perhaps the standouts, but they fall down in the geometry department so it's hard to recommend them either. As much as it pains me to sometimes admit it, the Seppos build some great bikes - probably the best bikes in the world at the moment. Most of which absolutely trounce most things coming out of Italy. Sure, I'd buy an old Colnago master if I had some spare cash, but purely for nostalgia reasons...and I'd do so knowing full well that it would have 52mm of rake regardless of the head angle, weigh 5lbs and probably snap at the head tube if pushed, and look like it was painted by a 10 year old with a stencil and a spraycan. :D |
Originally Posted by Rowan
so why don't you post this in open company rather than in a thread that the majority of 10,000 members ignore?
And besides, who give's a tinker's cuss about 1980's technology gone bad? It's not worth raising anywhere because the only Colnago stuff worth its mettle (pardon the pun) is now full of fatigue or stuck in a museum. BTW that little Hewitt kiddie is 1:1 and on serve in the third |
LHK wins the third set in a tie break
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And walks through the fourth to put him in the final against the big Russian on Sunday. The first Aussie in the Oz Open final since Cat Pash in 1988 (16 years!!!!). Last Aussie Oz Open winner was Mark Edmondson (from Gosford, naturally) in the 70's.
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
I don't understand what the facination is with some of the Euro brands. Back on the late 80's/early 90's when the mass merchants were starting to hit the pacific rim and starting to actually get the quality right, brands like Colnago and Pinarello et al were caught napping and lost a boatload of sales to the new, lighter bikes not only from companies that set up in the Pacific Rim but also US brands like Cannondale and Merlin who were some of the first to venture into new materials sucessfully.
I'm very condemning of some of the big Italian names because I think most of them are solely trading on their former reputations and little else. Some of the latest models are just overpriced overrated crap, and all they have going for them is their euro-trash aesthetic. Scapins and Pegorettis are perhaps the standouts, but they fall down in the geometry department so it's hard to recommend them either. I thinks part of the facination is like if you were to buy either an old Ferrari vs a new Monaro........some people just wouldnt buy a new Monaro, even though its safer, built better, handles better......but.....its not a Ferrari.... I hear you though....a lot of Euro brands are expected to be good just because they come from Italy...and usually carry higher price.... What about Look and Time bikes, whats your thoughts on those brands? |
Originally Posted by rockmuncher
And walks through the fourth to put him in the final against the big Russian on Sunday. The first Aussie in the Oz Open final since Cat Pash in 1988 (16 years!!!!). Last Aussie Oz Open winner was Mark Edmondson (from Gosford, naturally) in the 70's.
31 aces is 7 games and 3 points.....and he still couldnt do it.... |
Originally Posted by thylacine
As much as it pains me to sometimes admit it, the Seppos build some great bikes - probably the best bikes in the world at the moment. Most of which absolutely trounce most things coming out of Italy.
Thylacine, I'm thinking this should post on the framebuilders list, the CR list and maybe a private e-mail or two. . . :D Seriously tho, You are right in the sense that most of the European frames are just living on their past honors. Masi is owned by Haro, and for the most part produced in Taiwan. Faliero is probably spinning in his grave given what they have become. Colnago had its heyday in the 70's. but make no mistake Ernesto is a marketing genius, his bikes are good but nowhere near the cache/etc of his early stuff. De Rosa? Gios? same thing. There are non seppo builders and they make damned good frames they just don't have the reputation of say a Richard Sachs or a Spectrum (Tom Kellogg). Marty |
Originally Posted by rockmuncher
And walks through the fourth to put him in the final against the big Russian on Sunday. The first Aussie in the Oz Open final since Cat Pash in 1988 (16 years!!!!). Last Aussie Oz Open winner was Mark Edmondson (from Gosford, naturally) in the 70's.
Hewitt's a bogan; I was going for Roddick |
Originally Posted by lotek
OY, I have been waiting patiently for 230 pages to read this.
Thylacine, I'm thinking this should post on the framebuilders list, the CR list and maybe a private e-mail or two. . . :D Seriously tho, You are right in the sense that most of the European frames are just living on their past honors. Masi is owned by Haro, and for the most part produced in Taiwan. Faliero is probably spinning in his grave given what they have become. Colnago had its heyday in the 70's. but make no mistake Ernesto is a marketing genius, his bikes are good but nowhere near the cache/etc of his early stuff. De Rosa? Gios? same thing. There are non seppo builders and they make damned good frames they just don't have the reputation of say a Richard Sachs or a Spectrum (Tom Kellogg). Marty |
All kidding aside the market has changed so much in the past
20 years or so that its frightening. I suspect that Thylacine is talking about folks like e-Richie, Don Ferris, Sacha White, Dave Kirk etc. Artisan builders who pay attention to details. Most production frames are built god knows where (taiwan? China? malaysia?) exceptions are some Treks, and Cannondale (but they are NOT steel). I find it surprizing that there are not more european, Aussie etc. builders that are as well know as the seppo builders mentioned above. not sure why that is either. me, I'd like a malvern star (4 star) track frame. . . Marty |
Malvern Star!!
That's showing your age, and a bit of local knowledge :) |
Ya know, it took me a while, but I finally figured out that
there are actually other countries out there. Shocking isn't it? Malvern Star's show up on e-bay every once in a while got me curious about the marque. Marty |
Originally Posted by SJP
I thinks part of the facination is like if you were to buy either an old Ferrari vs a new Monaro........some people just wouldnt buy a new Monaro, even though its safer, built better, handles better......but.....its not a Ferrari....
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If I had my druthers I'd look for an old 250 dino. . .
yes chicks dig old bikes (at least thats what I keep telling myself). marty |
Marty, I'm really good at offending the mods, but I'm sure you'll forgive me. I just find it a bit annoying that all the other crap you have under your name and comments generally amount to more than your actual post.
Given a choice of older Ferraris, I'd take the 250 GTO SWB for weekends with the missus, the original Testarossa race car from the 1950's as an investment, a P3 and P4 for some track work, and a 288 GTO for everyday use. http://www.ferraristi.net/cars/ferra...288gto-001.jpg |
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ahem!.......Ok, who brought this weather....hitchy's all set for the first crit of the year, on a super fast circuit, strapped on the Cosmic's & everything!....& it's p!ssing down!....farg!.....still it's given me the chance to install the ole ADSL kit that I've had for 2 weeks & hadn't got around to opening!....is this supposed to be faster than dial up?......
Hitchy |
Anyone looking for a cheap HRM, check out http://www.athleticedge.net.au
Munchie, apologies for missing the bunch on this mornings ride. Alarms gone off at 6, 4 hours sleep after a night drinkin beer at a BBQ, Stumbled to find bibs, none clean had to recycle :eek: Stubbed little toe, still sore, Missed group... still dont know how, left Green point at 0640, waited e-gos & w-gos. Rode loop in reverse down ocean view drive in the hope of bumping into someone..... Oh well................. |
Originally Posted by pshaw
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Originally Posted by Expatriate
In the US, old 308's can be had for the low $20k's. Then you can have the luxury of owning a Ferrari that gets absolutely spanked by a 4 cylinder Mitsubishi, or in the case of my w@nker ex-neighbor, a Honda Civic. There may be a plus side though. Do chicks dig old bikes?
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My neighbor was some computer geek that moved from Colorado to California. He was a big shot back home in his Ferrari, but with kids driving $70k cars to the high school down the street from us, no one was really impressed. I proved to him that it's still no replacement for driver skill by taking him for a little race through the canyons to the beach. Sure, I'd been driving that road for 15 years or so, but how sad is it that his 3 litre V8 got trounced by a 1500cc Civic Si? I can be such a jerk sometimes. The guy that bought his place (when his internet Co. went belly up) had a 5 series BMW with 19 inch wheels and low profile tires. I gave him essentially the same challenge, but with one caveat. We had to race in the rain. Yeah, I can be a jerk. I appreciate craftsmanship, but don't think I would buy an old bike just because it was something special "Back in the day". Substance, not image.
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Yeah, sorry about the rant before. No idea what I was thinking :p Anyway, nothing I say is going to stop people from thinking C40's are the best bikes ever, or whatever, so I'll shaddap now. Although if I was going to name a bike, the word 'Dogma' wouldn't even be on the list. Maybe they're trying to be ironic?
In terms of the Scapins, 531, top tubes are way too short. Even on their XL frame I'd have to run a 155mm stem to even be vagely in the same position as I am on my bike. 585 top tube on their biggest size?? It's a joke. The S8 is a little better, but a 72.5 degree head angle with a 44 rake fork wouldn't handle well. I'd prefer a 48-50mm rake with those numbers. It shˇts me that companies take short cuts like this, and the only reason they do so is because they think that punters won't notice and they're rather save the money and inventory woes. Anyway, I agree Hewitt is a bogan, and I know bugger all about cars. Except most modern cars look the same, and I have no idea what BMW is trying to accomplish with they're new 'look'. Still not sure about that 'Magnum PI' Ferrari either. :D |
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