Talking While Riding Is Hard
#102
Still can't climb
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you know what else i find hard doing while riding? Eating.
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#103
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I hope one day if I think I am as awesome as you are I keep it to myself and not look like a moron on the internet
#104
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#109
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You guys are obviously smarter than Hunter Allen, Andy Coggan, Chris Carmichael etc. They are the ones who came up with the methods of estimating FTP using durations shorter than 60 minutes. I didn't just make this stuff up.
https://www.twowheelblogs.com/andy-co...en-deadly-sins
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#110
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You guys are obviously smarter than Hunter Allen, Andy Coggan, Chris Carmichael etc. They are the ones who came up with the methods of estimating FTP using durations shorter than 60 minutes. I didn't just make this stuff up.
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
OK, Einstein, which one of these is what you're using to lie to yourself and allow you to say your FTP is around 300W?
How to determine your Functional Threshold Power
In decreasing order of reliability:
In decreasing order of reliability:
- from the average power during a ~1 h TT (the best predictor of performance is performance itself).
- from the power that you can routinely generate during long intervals done in training.
- using critical power testing and analysis.
- based on normalized power from a hard ~1 h race.
- from blood lactate measurements (better or worse, depending on how it is done).
- from power distribution profile from multiple rides.
- from inspection of a ride file.
You can't even hit 300W for 10 flipping minutes and you think your FTP is over 280?
What's the color of the sky on your planet? Cuz it sure ain't blue.
#111
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You guys are obviously smarter than Hunter Allen, Andy Coggan, Chris Carmichael etc. They are the ones who came up with the methods of estimating FTP using durations shorter than 60 minutes. I didn't just make this stuff up.
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
#112
You guys are obviously smarter than Hunter Allen, Andy Coggan, Chris Carmichael etc. They are the ones who came up with the methods of estimating FTP using durations shorter than 60 minutes. I didn't just make this stuff up.
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
Andy Coggan's Seven Deadly Sins | Two Wheel Blogs
your fellow riders are probably going harder to shut you up.
#114
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Oh, yeah. To give you an idea about how accurate those are, the best NP I've done in an hour race is about 330W, but it wasn't hard. I've done NPs up around 370W for an hour.
And MY FTP is right around 300W.
So by the time you get down to #4 , it's pretty damn inaccurate.
And MY FTP is right around 300W.
So by the time you get down to #4 , it's pretty damn inaccurate.
#115
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Please explain how you get the whacked idea that you have an FTP around 300W when you can't hold 250W for an hour.
Explain that.
Because you can do 283W for 10 minutes? That's WORTHLESS in predicting FTP.
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Stop trying to win this argument by appealing to an authority whose writings are not consistent with your claim.
Well, just stop. Please? Stop.
#118
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From: Tulsa OK
#120
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I think we are being too hard on Dunbar. He does not have enough data to come to any conclusions about this physical prowess without more data and how much he weighs. We do know he can put out 300w for some time but at that level I would expect his 5 sec to be over a KW and it looks like he is just quits at ~15 min. Dunbar come back with more data, you can handle the abuse and we can play some more. PM's are a humbling device.
#121
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Oh, yeah. To give you an idea about how accurate those are, the best NP I've done in an hour race is about 330W, but it wasn't hard. I've done NPs up around 370W for an hour.
And MY FTP is right around 300W.
So by the time you get down to #4 , it's pretty damn inaccurate.
And MY FTP is right around 300W.
So by the time you get down to #4 , it's pretty damn inaccurate.
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#122
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#123
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#124
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What makes you think you have an FTP higher than 250W? Your ability to do 283W for ten minutes? How about you take 83% of the average of your third through sixth interval?
What's the highest 60-minute average power you've posted?
Last edited by achoo; 03-17-14 at 01:17 PM.
#125
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We started in this thread with my FTP obviously being 210 to 220. Now we're up to 250. I'm using 280 and the CP model puts me at 270. I don't think I'm grossly overestimating my FTP. When I get a chance to test it I will.




