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02-06-15 | 06:50 AM
#2027
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From: Minas Ithil
The Torelli is hot. I like these newer bikes with the taller headtubes. You can have a reasonable saddle to bar drop without using a bunch of spacers.
02-06-15 | 08:52 AM
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I'm confused at how a tall head tube equals "reasonable saddle to bar drop". That's backward. My trek had one of those hilariously tall head tubes and I had to run a negative 17 degree stem to get an even remotely low bar and it was still like driving a mac truck.
02-06-15 | 10:02 AM
#2029
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From: Minas Ithil
I'm confused that you're actually confused about what I said. Look at the Torelli. That's a reasonable saddle to bar drop with no spacers. How much lower would someone who doesn't race in the Pro Tour realistically need the drops to be? Obviously if you're someone who likes your bars a foot lower than your saddle it would not be for you.
02-06-15 | 10:23 AM
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That was my point, you made a blanket statement on what is "reasonable".
That is all.
That is all.
02-06-15 | 02:20 PM
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Reasonable saddle to bar drop means almost level with eachother? Am I in the right thread? Not.
ARX II is no, Toronova is no, it's just small things that add up.
ARX II is no, Toronova is no, it's just small things that add up.
02-06-15 | 05:16 PM
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02-06-15 | 05:19 PM
#2034
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From: wessex
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I mistakenly posted this in the older unimproved HotRNot thread earlier this week and did not receive much love. I got her tires matching now and she is ready to race this weekend. This is my (son's) newest bike. There are a few not so visual things to change yet, but this is how she looks.
02-06-15 | 05:24 PM
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That's why I passed on another Cervelo a few years go. One of the two founders decided he knew what customers needed and increased the head tube. Most people went with a - 17 stem. Cervelo since went back to a regular size tube.
02-06-15 | 07:20 PM
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Some interesting quirks -- cables run THRU head tube instead of around it, upper seat stay:
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02-06-15 | 08:14 PM
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Wow tortellini is hot
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02-06-15 | 08:32 PM
#2038
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02-06-15 | 09:55 PM
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02-07-15 | 06:49 AM
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Hot? You think a Swiss army knife is 'hot?' Granted, that bike is rather more impressive than a pocket knife, but style wise? Not so much.
Not sure what's "not finished" about it (missing a bell, maybe?), but I must say the sub-topic it addresses, namely bar set-up, is handled with great flair, and is pretty hot.
Not sure what's "not finished" about it (missing a bell, maybe?), but I must say the sub-topic it addresses, namely bar set-up, is handled with great flair, and is pretty hot.
02-07-15 | 07:25 AM
#2042
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Or were you saying that rule should only apply to the Tornova?
02-07-15 | 07:45 AM
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Bike looks kinda cool but the setup just seems dumb to me. I'm sure it's very aerodynamic but running that much drop has almost certainly compromised you ability to generate power over an extended distance. Looks like close to 400mm drop from the top of the saddle to the drops .... yikes.
02-07-15 | 08:44 AM
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I'd have at least removed the tail light for the pic. Anyway, not a BMC fan or a reverse drop stem which means to me that the wrong size bike was purchased.
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02-07-15 | 08:55 AM
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02-07-15 | 11:34 AM
#2046
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Besides, a bar setup like this causes your wrist to rotate forward. This is not a natural orientation for your wrists to be in and likely one of many reasons cyclists with similar setups find it uncomfortable to ride in the drops for extended periods of time.
@utahp8ntballer - At least with the levers where they are (slight upward tilt) his arms are in a more anatomically comfortable spot if he rides the hoods most of the time. Otherwise its goofy.
@utahp8ntballer - At least with the levers where they are (slight upward tilt) his arms are in a more anatomically comfortable spot if he rides the hoods most of the time. Otherwise its goofy.
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02-07-15 | 02:09 PM
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02-07-15 | 02:36 PM
#2048
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And, for instance, Lance Armstrong had a 3.1 inch drop from his saddle to the top of his bars. Tips are at about the center of the headtube so you can ride comfortably in the drops for hours able be able to look forward without breaking your neck and back. And I would imagine he spent time in the wind tunnel.
Pro bike: Lance Armstrong's Radioshack Trek Madone 6 Series - BikeRadar
Saddle-to-bar drop (vertical): 80mm
Unreasonable, IMO, would be the bike below. It looks ridiculous, he even has to set his levers too high because his bars are too low. I would bet a paycheck his hands are on the tops 95% of the time (no offense to the guy, just a classic example).
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02-07-15 | 02:41 PM
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Hot? You think a Swiss army knife is 'hot?' Granted, that bike is rather more impressive than a pocket knife, but style wise? Not so much.
Not sure what's "not finished" about it (missing a bell, maybe?), but I must say the sub-topic it addresses, namely bar set-up, is handled with great flair, and is pretty hot.
Not sure what's "not finished" about it (missing a bell, maybe?), but I must say the sub-topic it addresses, namely bar set-up, is handled with great flair, and is pretty hot.
To each his own? I like the bar tape, color choice, tires, wheels, and the slammed stem. The bar could have been adjusted better, but I think it is a unique thing to look at in a style sense; To ride it, not so much.
02-07-15 | 03:17 PM
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And, for instance, Lance Armstrong had a 3.1 inch drop from his saddle to the top of his bars. Tips are at about the center of the headtube so you can ride comfortably in the drops for hours able be able to look forward without breaking your neck and back. And I would imagine he spent time in the wind tunnel.
Also it seems none of you have encountered traditional bend bars? We're in hot or not. Come on, is this amateur hour?