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Old 07-14-14, 08:31 PM
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I see the geniuses have all collected in one thread today...
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
As noted elsewhere: The bike was fully intact after the first crash.

That is the Mclaren scheme of Roches bike...not Contadors bike which has team paint scheme.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
True dat. But hey, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory right?

The broken frame being pulled down from the roof rack:

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
....surfing the interweb on company time provides plenty of opportunity to concoct stupid conspiracy theories.
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Originally Posted by hack
So, spesh is now saying the bike that broke was a backup (Alberto apparently had two backups on the car) and it broke after slamming against the bikes on the Belkin car? If that's the case, were any of the Bianchis that were involved in the slamming broken?
They should rename their "Countervail," technology "Counterspesh..." !!!
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
True dat. But hey, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory right?

The broken frame being pulled down from the roof rack:


Fnord!
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
I see the geniuses have all collected in one thread today...
Yes, here I am, thank you very much. We shall not let facts stand in the way of our investigation !
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
Yes, here I am, thank you very much. We shall not let facts stand in the way of our investigation !
No, by all means, lets sets facts aside and go hog wild with unfounded rumour and baseless speculation!



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The desperation of the ferrophiles looking for the "smoking ***" that validates their odd preconceptions about carbon is almost palpable!
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Come on guys, we all know that when a top 5 TDF GC contender crashes during a stage the team's #1 priority should be to immediately conduct an investigation to figure out what happened to his free sponsor provided bike. Everything else can wait. Including the rider.
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Simple entertainment for simple.....
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Originally Posted by Jakedatc
Where's that guy who did the waving speed loss testing... we need him to go hit a pothole at 40mph to see what happens (valverde said they were doing 60kph when he crashed)
Donate a copy of Contador's bike to the cause and I'm up for it.
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Not a crash, fall from a car, run over, etc. Maybe it was left in the sun for too long.
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The cover-up is worse than the crime. Seems plausible that it broke on the roof, but Specialized was way too quick putting out their BS statement and following up with other lies. You can't get away with that kind of crap these days. Too many people with cameras and too many people on Twitter with a seemingly endless supply of free time.

Full disclosure: my main bike is a Specialized.
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
The cover-up is worse than the crime. Seems plausible that it broke on the roof, but Specialized was way too quick putting out their BS statement and following up with other lies. You can't get away with that kind of crap these days. Too many people with cameras and too many people on Twitter with a seemingly endless supply of free time.
There was no "cover up" and there was no "crime", either.

Read the full thread. The first reports were made in haste when the focus was on the rider (where it should be) and not on the bike. In the fog of the race information was not clear and even contradictory. With the luxury of a little time and fact checking the real story is now known with photos to prove it. (See posts: #55 , #57 and finally #78 , ) .

So the real story? It's that there is no story.

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Originally Posted by Fred Smedley
"but what difference does it make"
I hope she runs for just the entertainment value. She ain't gonna win and likely won't run.
I love all the Spesh haters that come here. Hey, somebody has to live in your parent's basements.
Somebody better warn the yellow jersey holder. His bike looks just like AC's. Maybe it was his that crashed?

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
There was no "cover up" and there was no "crime", either.

Read the full thread. The first reports were made in haste when the focus was on the rider (where it should be) and not on the bike. In the fog of the race information was not clear and even contradictory. With the luxury of a little time and fact checking the real story is now known with photos to prove it. (See posts: #55 , #57 and finally #78 , ) .

So the real story? It's that there is no story.

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I've read the whole thread.

THE COVER-UP: Specialized's initial lie that Contador's bike wasn't broken. (This added fuel to conspiracy theorists' fire.)

THE CRIME: The broken frame. (Yes, frames get broken all the time, so IMO this wasn't a huge deal to begin with.)

The real story isn't really known, mostly because you can't believe what either Specialized or the team is saying at this point. Show me proof that it happened on the roof rack. Haven't seen it yet. There's no way to rule out that the frame broke during a crash.
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
I've read the whole thread.

THE COVER-UP: Specialized's initial lie that Contador's bike wasn't broken. (This added fuel to conspiracy theorists' fire.)

THE CRIME: The broken frame. (Yes, frames get broken all the time, so IMO this wasn't a huge deal to begin with.)

The real story isn't really known, mostly because you can't believe what either Specialized or the team is saying at this point. Show me proof that it happened on the roof rack. Haven't seen it yet. There's no way to rule out that the frame broke during a crash.
Doesn't matter if the frame broke as a result of the crash. Lots of frames will break if you hit a pot hole at 35+ mph.
Nobody even knows why he crashed. Pretty good chance if it was a pot hole, AC just didn't see it...racing in rain and fog...or he hit something else in the road.

But to say that Specialized is covering up anything is a reflection on 'you' creating spin and not Specialized...even if Specialized initial response was wrong. There is no way to prove it was any sort of cover up. If you believe so, prove it. Otherwise you are talking out your @$$.


How about we do this. How about you show me proof what happened. Prove to me it didn't happen on the roof rack. It had to have happened on a roof rack. They were racing in muck all day and the broken frame shown was immaculate.

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Look at post #6 and post #51 , two frames broken the same way? Either someone needs to redesign roof racks or stop flipping their cars over!
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Originally Posted by dvdslw
Look at post #6 and post #51 , two frames broken the same way? Either someone needs to redesign roof racks or stop flipping their cars over!
A great opportunity for you! You can start a roof rack company or become a team car driver!
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
There was no "cover up" and there was no "crime", either.

Read the full thread. The first reports were made in haste when the focus was on the rider (where it should be) and not on the bike. In the fog of the race information was not clear and even contradictory. With the luxury of a little time and fact checking the real story is now known with photos to prove it. (See posts: #55 , #57 and finally #78 , ) .

So the real story? It's that there is no story.

/thread.
Exactly right. People here seem to think there are on-site senior Specialized Management saying things. The news statements are made by reporters who hear things from team managers and staff (maybe the bus driver). The posts are about cover ups are crazy.
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The conspiracy is not with the bike and who Specialized is going to sue now, rather it is with the energy bar that Contador was reaching for when he went over and the roadway department that hasn't gotten around to fixing the potholes. I don't know where the conspiracy is, just that I'm sure there is one. Stupid energy bars and roadway departments are clearly the same all over the planet.
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I am waiting for the rest of the story from Sinyard himself. Then the truth will out!
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Originally Posted by RJM
The conspiracy is not with the bike and who Specialized is going to sue now, rather it is with the energy bar that Contador was reaching for when he went over and the roadway department that hasn't gotten around to fixing the potholes. I don't know where the conspiracy is, just that I'm sure there is one. Stupid energy bars and roadway departments are clearly the same all over the planet.
I understand that as you read this, the energy bar company has their legal team working on a statement and that a team of design engineers and nobel prize laureates have been gathered from across the planet to study how to make them easier to unwrap and eat while riding. New designs and materials are being considered. The story on velo news is that Contador needed to exert too much force to unwrap the bar, which caused him to lose control.

This has been an ongoing problem since the bars went to a mylar wrapper. It has been the cause of many crashes around the globe. Many in the cycling community are thrilled that this problem is coming to light. It has been ignored for too many years.
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Originally Posted by DXchulo
I've read the whole thread.

THE COVER-UP: Specialized's initial lie that Contador's bike wasn't broken. (This added fuel to conspiracy theorists' fire.)

THE CRIME: The broken frame. (Yes, frames get broken all the time, so IMO this wasn't a huge deal to begin with.)

The real story isn't really known, mostly because you can't believe what either Specialized or the team is saying at this point. Show me proof that it happened on the roof rack. Haven't seen it yet. There's no way to rule out that the frame broke during a crash.
Did you see the photo of the bike being pulled from the BELKIN car?

The BELKIN team manager has already confirmed the accident.

There is no story.
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