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08-08-14, 04:06 PM
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I would rather work 2 or 3 days/week. But in my job that is not feasible.
08-08-14, 04:07 PM
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08-08-14, 04:09 PM
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08-08-14, 04:16 PM
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was the word "safety" mentioned at least once in the last few pages? then it's time to do the.....
08-08-14, 04:17 PM
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First organized charity ride of the summer is this weekend: ADK Ididaride. It is the ride that a friend committed me to five years ago, and for which I bought a Diamondback Insight hybrid ($350 American). That launched this whole boondoggle.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
08-08-14, 04:44 PM
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Ok, so here is my deal. I haven't been on the trainer essentially in 5 months, since I got the magic bike. I have no immediate intention to go back to the trainer. I'm not really sure where the trainer will work in to things for me, I was imagining possibly 8-12 weeks of trainer intervals in the Dec to Feb timeframe. But honestly not sure, I have to read more about training with power. I only bring this up
because I don't really have an immediate need for power on the trainer bike.
In the past when I've done trainer intervals, I've done them twice a week on Tues & Thurs and then long rides on my days off Fri, Sat and Sunday. However, recently (during one of the Sparrow test rides), I scored a bit in that I rode that ride with two acquaintances and we really hit it off. Since then, I have been riding with these guys Tues & Thurs around 4:30 or 5am. They are stronger than me and for some reason they just ask me to pick the agenda for every ride. The route, the distance, the amount of climbing- it's all up to me on every ride. I think if I said that I wanted to ride LT intervals, they'd say "sure". Being in SoCal, we can pretty much ride like this year-round. So this is why I question if I'll go back to the trainer. Usually there's limits to where I can go in the dark of pre-dawn. But with these two guys, I can go anywhere, I am not forced by weather or darkness on to the trainer. I prefer the road and company, so
if these Tues/Thurs rides continue to work out, I may not go back to the trainer.
@LAJs Powertap deal is so attractive however that I do wonder if it might make sense to do as @RollCNY suggested and just buy the Powertap for the Lexa/trainer bike and the stages for the Magic Bike now. So hashing this out with Mr H, he asks me why I need the Lexa for the trainer. Why not just get two Stages, one on MB and the other on the Sparrow and then use those bikes on the trainer? Good question, why not? I have been thinking of the Lexa as the trainer bike, but the truth is it's no longer an intact bike, I've been cannibalizing it. It is currently lacking pedals & a saddle, those would have to be replaced (don't want to be swapping parts to ride the trainer). Plus possibly new cranks if I go with the Stages power meter (because the PM would be in the 165mm crank, not because I prefer the 165s, I could live with the 170s on the trainer.)
So is there a negative to the MB or Sparrow on the trainer?
because I don't really have an immediate need for power on the trainer bike.
In the past when I've done trainer intervals, I've done them twice a week on Tues & Thurs and then long rides on my days off Fri, Sat and Sunday. However, recently (during one of the Sparrow test rides), I scored a bit in that I rode that ride with two acquaintances and we really hit it off. Since then, I have been riding with these guys Tues & Thurs around 4:30 or 5am. They are stronger than me and for some reason they just ask me to pick the agenda for every ride. The route, the distance, the amount of climbing- it's all up to me on every ride. I think if I said that I wanted to ride LT intervals, they'd say "sure". Being in SoCal, we can pretty much ride like this year-round. So this is why I question if I'll go back to the trainer. Usually there's limits to where I can go in the dark of pre-dawn. But with these two guys, I can go anywhere, I am not forced by weather or darkness on to the trainer. I prefer the road and company, so
if these Tues/Thurs rides continue to work out, I may not go back to the trainer.
@LAJs Powertap deal is so attractive however that I do wonder if it might make sense to do as @RollCNY suggested and just buy the Powertap for the Lexa/trainer bike and the stages for the Magic Bike now. So hashing this out with Mr H, he asks me why I need the Lexa for the trainer. Why not just get two Stages, one on MB and the other on the Sparrow and then use those bikes on the trainer? Good question, why not? I have been thinking of the Lexa as the trainer bike, but the truth is it's no longer an intact bike, I've been cannibalizing it. It is currently lacking pedals & a saddle, those would have to be replaced (don't want to be swapping parts to ride the trainer). Plus possibly new cranks if I go with the Stages power meter (because the PM would be in the 165mm crank, not because I prefer the 165s, I could live with the 170s on the trainer.)
So is there a negative to the MB or Sparrow on the trainer?
08-08-14, 04:51 PM
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True, but given HP's situation re: power meters, I would say the tire is expendable. When folks get a cheap wheel for a trainer, it is just to have something to mount a cheesy or used tire on. But there is no other reason to avoid using good wheels. As long as you are willing to eat up your road tires, the good wheels can go along for the ride (pun) just fine. This is a good solution for HP. Remember the special, heavy duty, trainer skewer has to be used.
08-08-14, 04:53 PM
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I think to get wear and tear on a rear tire you've got to do a lot of trainer miles. IMO & jus sayin.
I don't think a couple months out of the year is going to make a difference, especially if you rotate your tires.
I don't think a couple months out of the year is going to make a difference, especially if you rotate your tires.
08-08-14, 04:53 PM
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Ok, so here is my deal. I haven't been on the trainer essentially in 5 months, since I got the magic bike. I have no immediate intention to go back to the trainer. I'm not really sure where the trainer will work in to things for me, I was imagining possibly 8-12 weeks of trainer intervals in the Dec to Feb timeframe. But honestly not sure, I have to read more about training with power. I only bring this up
because I don't really have an immediate need for power on the trainer bike.
In the past when I've done trainer intervals, I've done them twice a week on Tues & Thurs and then long rides on my days off Fri, Sat and Sunday. However, recently (during one of the Sparrow test rides), I scored a bit in that I rode that ride with two acquaintances and we really hit it off. Since then, I have been riding with these guys Tues & Thurs around 4:30 or 5am. They are stronger than me and for some reason they just ask me to pick the agenda for every ride. The route, the distance, the amount of climbing- it's all up to me on every ride. I think if I said that I wanted to ride LT intervals, they'd say "sure". Being in SoCal, we can pretty much ride like this year-round. So this is why I question if I'll go back to the trainer. Usually there's limits to where I can go in the dark of pre-dawn. But with these two guys, I can go anywhere, I am not forced by weather or darkness on to the trainer. I prefer the road and company, so
if these Tues/Thurs rides continue to work out, I may not go back to the trainer.
@LAJs Powertap deal is so attractive however that I do wonder if it might make sense to do as @RollCNY suggested and just buy the Powertap for the Lexa/trainer bike and the stages for the Magic Bike now. So hashing this out with Mr H, he asks me why I need the Lexa for the trainer. Why not just get two Stages, one on MB and the other on the Sparrow and then use those bikes on the trainer? Good question, why not? I have been thinking of the Lexa as the trainer bike, but the truth is it's no longer an intact bike, I've been cannibalizing it. It is currently lacking pedals & a saddle, those would have to be replaced (don't want to be swapping parts to ride the trainer). Plus possibly new cranks if I go with the Stages power meter (because the PM would be in the 165mm crank, not because I prefer the 165s, I could live with the 170s on the trainer.)
So is there a negative to the MB or Sparrow on the trainer?
because I don't really have an immediate need for power on the trainer bike.
In the past when I've done trainer intervals, I've done them twice a week on Tues & Thurs and then long rides on my days off Fri, Sat and Sunday. However, recently (during one of the Sparrow test rides), I scored a bit in that I rode that ride with two acquaintances and we really hit it off. Since then, I have been riding with these guys Tues & Thurs around 4:30 or 5am. They are stronger than me and for some reason they just ask me to pick the agenda for every ride. The route, the distance, the amount of climbing- it's all up to me on every ride. I think if I said that I wanted to ride LT intervals, they'd say "sure". Being in SoCal, we can pretty much ride like this year-round. So this is why I question if I'll go back to the trainer. Usually there's limits to where I can go in the dark of pre-dawn. But with these two guys, I can go anywhere, I am not forced by weather or darkness on to the trainer. I prefer the road and company, so
if these Tues/Thurs rides continue to work out, I may not go back to the trainer.
@LAJs Powertap deal is so attractive however that I do wonder if it might make sense to do as @RollCNY suggested and just buy the Powertap for the Lexa/trainer bike and the stages for the Magic Bike now. So hashing this out with Mr H, he asks me why I need the Lexa for the trainer. Why not just get two Stages, one on MB and the other on the Sparrow and then use those bikes on the trainer? Good question, why not? I have been thinking of the Lexa as the trainer bike, but the truth is it's no longer an intact bike, I've been cannibalizing it. It is currently lacking pedals & a saddle, those would have to be replaced (don't want to be swapping parts to ride the trainer). Plus possibly new cranks if I go with the Stages power meter (because the PM would be in the 165mm crank, not because I prefer the 165s, I could live with the 170s on the trainer.)
So is there a negative to the MB or Sparrow on the trainer?
08-08-14, 05:04 PM
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Dedicated trainer tire (they make tires specifically for trainers) because trainers will chew through your tire quick.
Trainer axle because they are designed specifically to go in a trainer and stay put and not become damaged from trainer use.
Dedicated wheel because trainers are kind of 'meh' and not wanting to swap your tire and axle could be enough of a reason to say 'forget it, I'll do it later'.
Trainer axle because they are designed specifically to go in a trainer and stay put and not become damaged from trainer use.
Dedicated wheel because trainers are kind of 'meh' and not wanting to swap your tire and axle could be enough of a reason to say 'forget it, I'll do it later'.
08-08-14, 05:18 PM
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First organized charity ride of the summer is this weekend: ADK Ididaride. It is the ride that a friend committed me to five years ago, and for which I bought a Diamondback Insight hybrid ($350 American). That launched this whole boondoggle.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
08-08-14, 05:20 PM
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...riding a trainer in California is kinda like kissing your sister.
...riding a trainer in California is kinda like kissing your sister.
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08-08-14, 05:24 PM
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Thanks @Herbie53, @mackel, and @RPK79.
I think my most cost-effective option might be:
1. Get Stages power meter for the Magic Bike. Suck it up for short period of time (maybe a month) changing the crank arm out between the MB & the Sparrow. Then if I like training with power, buy a second Stages PM for the Sparrow. Total $1400.
2. Continue cannibalizing the Lexa, removing its rear wheel & getting an 11-speed cassette installed on it. Use this wheel with the MB on the trainer. If I ever upgrade the Sparrow to 11-speed, then I could also use that bike on the trainer.
If this makes sense, do I get the cheapest 11-speed cassette? Or do I get a nice one because the MB will be interfacing with it?
I think my most cost-effective option might be:
1. Get Stages power meter for the Magic Bike. Suck it up for short period of time (maybe a month) changing the crank arm out between the MB & the Sparrow. Then if I like training with power, buy a second Stages PM for the Sparrow. Total $1400.
2. Continue cannibalizing the Lexa, removing its rear wheel & getting an 11-speed cassette installed on it. Use this wheel with the MB on the trainer. If I ever upgrade the Sparrow to 11-speed, then I could also use that bike on the trainer.
If this makes sense, do I get the cheapest 11-speed cassette? Or do I get a nice one because the MB will be interfacing with it?
08-08-14, 05:25 PM
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Dedicated trainer tire (they make tires specifically for trainers) because trainers will chew through your tire quick.
Trainer axle because they are designed specifically to go in a trainer and stay put and not become damaged from trainer use.
Dedicated wheel because trainers are kind of 'meh' and not wanting to swap your tire and axle could be enough of a reason to say 'forget it, I'll do it later'.
Trainer axle because they are designed specifically to go in a trainer and stay put and not become damaged from trainer use.
Dedicated wheel because trainers are kind of 'meh' and not wanting to swap your tire and axle could be enough of a reason to say 'forget it, I'll do it later'.
08-08-14, 05:28 PM
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Thx. I ride it with the same friend, and usually his wife for the last 20 miles. She's not going, and he hasn't been riding, so I will bring my canned pep talks and motivational speeches for him. If he was in shape, I would have kept the fast wheels and 16T on.
08-08-14, 05:40 PM
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First organized charity ride of the summer is this weekend: ADK Ididaride. It is the ride that a friend committed me to five years ago, and for which I bought a Diamondback Insight hybrid ($350 American). That launched this whole boondoggle.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
77 miles, 5300ish feet of ascent (per 3 years of Garmin data). I put the 18T cog on the wheels I built, so the SS is ready for Sunday.
08-08-14, 05:44 PM
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I ride/rode the trainer due to time constraints. I was able to get a lot of work done in a very short amount of time. I would used my commute home as the warm up, then get to it either on the CycleOps SuperMagneto Pro, or the rollers. Depending on what I was after.
Axle=Skewer. You don't want to mess up the fancy weight weenie Zipp Ti, or KCNC, or whichever is the flavor of the day.
Axle=Skewer. You don't want to mess up the fancy weight weenie Zipp Ti, or KCNC, or whichever is the flavor of the day.
08-08-14, 05:55 PM
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08-08-14, 05:59 PM
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...if I have to ride on a trainer, it's a sign from God I need to be cross training doing something else.
...if I have to ride on a trainer, it's a sign from God I need to be cross training doing something else.
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08-08-14, 06:00 PM
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...and riding on a trainer, like running, is stoopid. If you live in California. Which you do. As do I.
...and riding on a trainer, like running, is stoopid. If you live in California. Which you do. As do I.
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