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Old 12-02-14, 06:56 AM
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on the bike industy thread i was whinging about all black bikes. and here we have one!
The bike with the Christmas lights on it is a 1981, and it is all black. The chrome fenders were added later.... No matter where we go, there we are. Black bikes are just fine.
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Late on this one, but that is a stunning ride.
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Some team organizations are convinced they are smarter than conventional draft wisdom. The Texans for example insist on using their periodic very first picks to draft defensive linemen. First Mario Williams and now Clowney. That elevates that position to a status it doesn't justify with other teams. That means the Texans have devalued their first pick, or IOW thrown money down the toilet. Both in the eventual trade worth of the player as well as the salary and bonus they have to pay him. Unless you already have a 22 year old Peyton Manning under contract, the first pick in the draft should be used on the best quarterback in the draft unless he is just a dog, no ifs ands and buts. That is where you get the best value out of the pick even if he is just immediately traded for players more consistent with the needs of the team. Looking at it another way, if you don't need the best quarterback in the draft, you have no business drafting first. That pick should have been traded away for multiple good picks further down the draft where the defensive lineman live a long time before. And if there wasn't a good enough quarterback in the draft to justify a first pick, that would have been another reason to trade away the first pick for a lousy team's first pick in 2015 plus additional picks. There will be good quarterbacks in 2015. The Texans should have saved their early pick for then via the trade route.
There's a lot of ridiculousness in here, Robert. Clowney was pretty much a consensus 1st overall pick the year *before* he entered the draft, so I don't think that you can pin that on the Texans. Staying within the organization, do you really think that, looking back to the 2011 draft, any of the 10 teams before the Texans wouldn't have taken JJ Watt over whomever they picked? Of course they would have. Also, what many evaluators deem to be the best QB of the draft is still a massive roll of the dice - you don't need to look hard to find QB draft busts.
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I spent a good bit of last Sunday stripping my wife's bike mostly down to the frame, cleaning, lubing, re-cabling, and giving it fresh bar tape. Good times. I don't have a tool for her particular off brand crank and bottom bracket so I wasn't able to service the bb. Probably fine considering I have weeks where I put on more miles than she does all year. I'll give mine the same treatment, along with a new cassette and chain, closer to spring since I'll be dripping buckets of sweat on it between then and now.

Speaking of riding the trainer... My rear tire started losing air on me. It goes flat before I finish an hour. I haven't taken it off to check it out, because I'm lazy, but I have a feeling the cheap Chinese patch I have on there didn't hold up to the heat of the trainer.
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Originally Posted by Pirkaus
The saddle is not level, flip that stem, not on the small cog on the cassette, valve stems should be at 6 o'clock
Did I miss anything?
Very nice
I'm here to ride my bike, not make it look pretty. It fits be best as it stands in the photo. It's on the smallest cog.
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Originally Posted by Pirkaus
The saddle is not level, flip that stem, not on the small cog on the cassette, valve stems should be at 6 o'clock
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Very nice
The red stripe on the stem is distracting.
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Originally Posted by Bunyanderman
I'm here to ride my bike, not make it look pretty. It fits be best as it stands in the photo. It's on the smallest cog.
@Pirkaus must have thought this was the HotRNot thread for a minute.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
@Pirkaus must have thought this was the HotRNot thread for a minute.
You're not aloud to say stuff like that in the HotRNot thread. The New and Improved... Yes. Butthurt people are butthurt in the HotRNot.
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There's a lot of ridiculousness in here, Robert. Clowney was pretty much a consensus 1st overall pick the year *before* he entered the draft, so I don't think that you can pin that on the Texans. Staying within the organization, do you really think that, looking back to the 2011 draft, any of the 10 teams before the Texans wouldn't have taken JJ Watt over whomever they picked? Of course they would have. Also, what many evaluators deem to be the best QB of the draft is still a massive roll of the dice - you don't need to look hard to find QB draft busts.
I know my thinking is bizarre, but it couldn't work any worse than what has actually been done. Say what you will, but what justification is there for not having a decent quarterback? It is the only way to win in the NFL. I don't care how good Williams and Clowney were, you can't play pro football without a first rate QB, and the Texans have never, in the entire history of the franchise, had one. Organizational hubris has dictated that a mediocre QB could be elevated to superstar status by good coaching. Kubiak thought because he stood next to greatness on the Devner sideline that he could make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and now so does O'Brien. So draft picks were wasted on other positions. Where has it gotten them.

If those defensive linemen were concensus picks, let the other guys have them for a big price in future picks. Draft picks are like Boardwalk and Park Place in monopoly. You don't waste them, you don't devalue them. You surely don't elevate a third or fourth pick like Mario Williams to a first. You pick first picks first and third picks third. Otherwise you are wasting money. Like I said, if you have the first pick and the best guy is what you don't need MOST, you trade that pick to someone who does need him most. You have to realize the full value of the first pick one way or another. It won't always pan out as you say about draft busts, but at least it won't be your fault.
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butt hurt. i like that expression.
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Alright. I get the bike fits you and you like it. Let's move on from that for some constructive comments.

What's up with your saddle tilt? That saddle wasn't intended to tilt like that. You might think it's comfortable, but that might be based on your bars and hood position. I'd suggest leveling out the middle third of your saddle. Flip the stem and move it up that spacer. I'd then ditch the deep Belgium drops for shallower ones. 3T has plenty of options that will match your stem. Then level out the new bars. I agree with rjones that the red stripe is distracting, but that's your business.

What's up with the R3? Is it a repaint or a China direct frame?


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Alright. I get the bike fits you and you like it. Let's move on from that for some constructive comments.

What's up with your saddle tilt? That saddle wasn't intended to tilt like that. You might think it's comfortable, but that might be based on your bars and hood position. I'd suggest leveling out the middle third of your saddle. Flip the stem and move it up that spacer. I'd then ditch the deep Belgium drops for shallower ones. 3T has plenty of options that will match your stem. Then level out the new bars. I agree with rjones that the red stripe is distracting, but that's your business.

What's up with the R3? Is it a repaint or a China direct frame?
The seat sloping looks worse in the photo, yeah the stem does not match with the bike, but it matches but me on the bike, (red and black shoes/Jersey). I would like to think the frame is just repainted, but buying it used I have to think the worst. I think the bars are $300 new, they weigh 190g I think, so I'm probably not going to be changing them out.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
you can't play pro football without a first rate QB, and the Texans have never, in the entire history of the franchise, had one.
The city of Houston* has enjoyed a great NFL QB (Warren Moon) more recently than many other teams. Take the NY Jets, for instance . . . . .

So if you want to whine, get in line behind us and many others.

*(Never mind some franchise swapping took place, it was a Houston team.)
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Originally Posted by Bunyanderman
The seat sloping looks worse in the photo, yeah the stem does not match with the bike, but it matches but me on the bike, (red and black shoes/Jersey). I would like to think the frame is just repainted, but buying it used I have to think the worst. I think the bars are $300 new, they weigh 190g I think, so I'm probably not going to be changing them out.
I think your bike is from China (not via Cervelo). Search Alibaba or Aliexpress and you'll probably find it. Probably about $600 shipped direct. Sorry if that's bad news.

I think it's silly to sacrifice functionality for the WW BS. Do you ride in the drops? Honestly. If not, I bet I can guess why.
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Dressing to match the bike is different. Everything goes with black, especially after Labor Day.
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I am so tempted to buy a puppy about now, but damn, $1,200 is a little steep. I could get a nice lens or something with that. Lol

A rescued dog with be virtually free, but like a used car, you never know what you're getting with somebody else's dog.
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You could get a puppy and a nice lens. Then take pictures of the new puppy.
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Originally Posted by sbxx1985
I think your bike is from China (not via Cervelo). Search Alibaba or Aliexpress and you'll probably find it. Probably about $600 shipped direct. Sorry if that's bad news.

I think it's silly to sacrifice functionality for the WW BS. Do you ride in the drops? Honestly. If not, I bet I can guess why.
I'm in the drops every ride, hit 50 mph in them. I don't feel as If I lost functionality with them.
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I'm in the drops every ride, hit 50 mph in them. I don't feel as If I lost functionality with them.
Fair enough. Enjoy the bike.

And flip it.
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I am so tempted to buy a puppy about now, but damn, $1,200 is a little steep. I could get a nice lens or something with that. Lol

A rescued dog with be virtually free, but like a used car, you never know what you're getting with somebody else's dog.
Our time is near. Momma should be pregnant by now. I don't think I'm ready for puppy responsibilities, especially during the winter.

I feel the same way about rescuing a dog. It's the right thing to do, but I worry about my kid.
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I know my thinking is bizarre, but it couldn't work any worse than what has actually been done. Say what you will, but what justification is there for not having a decent quarterback? It is the only way to win in the NFL. I don't care how good Williams and Clowney were, you can't play pro football without a first rate QB, and the Texans have never, in the entire history of the franchise, had one. Organizational hubris has dictated that a mediocre QB could be elevated to superstar status by good coaching. Kubiak thought because he stood next to greatness on the Devner sideline that he could make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and now so does O'Brien. So draft picks were wasted on other positions. Where has it gotten them.

If those defensive linemen were concensus picks, let the other guys have them for a big price in future picks. Draft picks are like Boardwalk and Park Place in monopoly. You don't waste them, you don't devalue them. You surely don't elevate a third or fourth pick like Mario Williams to a first. You pick first picks first and third picks third. Otherwise you are wasting money. Like I said, if you have the first pick and the best guy is what you don't need MOST, you trade that pick to someone who does need him most. You have to realize the full value of the first pick one way or another. It won't always pan out as you say about draft busts, but at least it won't be your fault.
You're odd. You ignore that you're benefiting from hindsight. You forget that you can't just trade picks willy nilly - you need to find other teams that are willing to play ball and whose assets align with your wants/needs (and since that just doesn't happen often, you need to compromise). You seem not to realize that there simply hasn't been a sure-fire QB prospect, other than Andrew Luck, since Peyton Manning entered the league. Top flight QBs wouldn't be top flight QBs if they were common. They're rare, exceedingly so, and more often than not, they're a product of continual development, as opposed to just having innate skill. Good god - look at the QBs taken in the first round over the last 10-15 years and tell me about the risk/reward ratio there. Also, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer thank you profusely for saying that having a decent QB is the only way to win in the NFL.
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The city of Houston* has enjoyed a great NFL QB (Warren Moon) more recently than many other teams. Take the NY Jets, for instance . . . . .

So if you want to whine, get in line behind us and many others.

*(Never mind some franchise swapping took place, it was a Houston team.)
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
You're odd. You ignore that you're benefiting from hindsight. You forget that you can't just trade picks willy nilly - you need to find other teams that are willing to play ball and whose assets align with your wants/needs (and since that just doesn't happen often, you need to compromise). You seem not to realize that there simply hasn't been a sure-fire QB prospect, other than Andrew Luck, since Peyton Manning entered the league. Top flight QBs wouldn't be top flight QBs if they were common. They're rare, exceedingly so, and more often than not, they're a product of continual development, as opposed to just having innate skill. Good god - look at the QBs taken in the first round over the last 10-15 years and tell me about the risk/reward ratio there. Also, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer thank you profusely for saying that having a decent QB is the only way to win in the NFL.
You make good points thst I know represent common wisdom. I will say that hindsight is not at play here. I criticized the Williams and Clowney picks and general handling of those drafts immediately during each.
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Originally Posted by sbxx1985
Alright. I get the bike fits you and you like it. Let's move on from that for some constructive comments.

What's up with your saddle tilt? That saddle wasn't intended to tilt like that. You might think it's comfortable, but that might be based on your bars and hood position. I'd suggest leveling out the middle third of your saddle. Flip the stem and move it up that spacer. I'd then ditch the deep Belgium drops for shallower ones. 3T has plenty of options that will match your stem. Then level out the new bars. I agree with rjones that the red stripe is distracting, but that's your business.

What's up with the R3? Is it a repaint or a China direct frame?
Saddle tilt is an odd thing. No matter how much we advise against it, some folks just have to have it. In my experience it is folks that haven't rigorously addressed other fit aspects. Whatever. "You can lead a horse to water..."
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The bike with the Christmas lights on it is a 1981, and it is all black. The chrome fenders were added later.... No matter where we go, there we are. Black bikes are just fine.
I've spotted a couple of black bikes and lusted after them. Luckily they're a little big. The Miyata ad says 54 but looks 56ish to me. The Cinelli is just too much! OMG, deadly hot. Also too much money for me and too big...



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