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05-26-15, 01:46 PM
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Yeah, but that is a losing proposition. It only last a few days and then you are back to square one. Everyone who cooks needs to know how to sharpen their own knives. There is no way around it. I will get some horrified responses here, but even the simple device with the V arrangement of small sharpening steel rods will do a fine job on even the most exotic knife. You never need to use anything else.
05-26-15, 01:52 PM
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Gordon Ramsay always sharpens his knives on TV, and he doesn't use a V-shaped thing.
05-26-15, 01:56 PM
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05-26-15, 01:58 PM
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05-26-15, 02:12 PM
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05-26-15, 02:14 PM
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05-26-15, 02:15 PM
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Back when I was working as a blacksmith, I tried making a folded steel ingot, with a view to making a sword.
It was *hours* of work to get *one* fold - and it was horrible. Only partially fused and full of inclusions. In other words, junk.
I have a lot of respect for what it takes to make one of those via those methods.
The irony is though that an old truck leaf spring, properly tempered and ground, is way better steel than any "real" katana.
It was *hours* of work to get *one* fold - and it was horrible. Only partially fused and full of inclusions. In other words, junk.
I have a lot of respect for what it takes to make one of those via those methods.
The irony is though that an old truck leaf spring, properly tempered and ground, is way better steel than any "real" katana.
Yeah, but that is a losing proposition. It only lasts a few days and then you are back to square one. Everyone who cooks needs to know how to sharpen their own knives. There is no way around it. I will get some horrified responses here, but even the simple device with the V arrangement of small sharpening steel rods will do a fine job on even the most exotic knife. You never need to use anything else.
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05-26-15, 02:16 PM
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...I worked for a while as a farrier, then as a blacksmith. In knife sharpening, as in so many other things in life............wait for it.............wait for it...........steel is real.
................................................and diamonds are a girls best friend.
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05-26-15, 02:17 PM
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...raise a burr, then knock it off. What could be more simple, or more elegant ?
...raise a burr, then knock it off. What could be more simple, or more elegant ?
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05-26-15, 02:57 PM
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She fits me just fine.
Oh wait, you were talking about something else?
Oh wait, you were talking about something else?
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05-26-15, 02:59 PM
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05-26-15, 03:00 PM
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Back when I was working as a blacksmith, I tried making a folded steel ingot, with a view to making a sword.
It was *hours* of work to get *one* fold - and it was horrible. Only partially fused and full of inclusions. In other words, junk.
I have a lot of respect for what it takes to make one of those via those methods.
The irony is though that an old truck leaf spring, properly tempered and ground, is way better steel than any "real" katana.
It was *hours* of work to get *one* fold - and it was horrible. Only partially fused and full of inclusions. In other words, junk.
I have a lot of respect for what it takes to make one of those via those methods.
The irony is though that an old truck leaf spring, properly tempered and ground, is way better steel than any "real" katana.
Comparatively Europe & Northern Europe had higher quality ores available in much greater abundance. Something came to light recently where the Vikings were crafting blades about 400-500 years ahead of everyone else in terms of the quality of the blades...gotta dig that up...
The modern Japanese blades are pretty slick powdered steels, Cowry-X is quite awesome. T10 tool steel is pretty cool as well.
05-26-15, 03:01 PM
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...I worked for a while as a farrier, then as a blacksmith. In knife sharpening, as in so many other things in life............wait for it.............wait for it...........steel is real.
................................................and diamonds are a girls best friend.
................................................and diamonds are a girls best friend.
05-26-15, 03:06 PM
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05-26-15, 03:08 PM
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What makes the Japanese method so fantastic is they were able to take ****e for ore and craft an ingeniously engineered blade.
Comparatively Europe & Northern Europe had higher quality ores available in much greater abundance. Something came to light recently where the Vikings were crafting blades about 400-500 years ahead of everyone else in terms of the quality of the blades...gotta dig that up...
The modern Japanese blades are pretty slick powdered steels, Cowry-X is quite awesome. T10 tool steel is pretty cool as well.
Comparatively Europe & Northern Europe had higher quality ores available in much greater abundance. Something came to light recently where the Vikings were crafting blades about 400-500 years ahead of everyone else in terms of the quality of the blades...gotta dig that up...
The modern Japanese blades are pretty slick powdered steels, Cowry-X is quite awesome. T10 tool steel is pretty cool as well.
05-26-15, 03:17 PM
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No argument about all that. BTW my son-in-law is half Japanese and a chef. He reveres the Japanese cutlery. But we are talking here about chopping "the trinity" for crawfish etoufee and slicing flank steak for a sandwich. My "V-sharpened" Globals work great as did the Chicago Cutlery knives I had before the son-in-law showed up. I don't suppose I should mention what you see all the professionals using both for knives and for sharpening them...nah, I didn't think so.
But yeah, Globals will do the trick, nevertheless I was never able to get my Globals nearly as sharp as my Itou's nor did they retain their edge nearly as long. I did like the full metal design. I have a ZDP-189 blade and when it's sharp it's amazing but it's a bear to maintain. The R2 steel my Itous are made of seem to take an edge easier as well as last a while with care. I simply make sure I rod them before use.
05-26-15, 03:17 PM
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And by the way, that "ONLY aligning the edge" business is BS. The V-sharpeners definitely remove metal. And they are just two steels arranged just so. Steels do remove metal and quite effectively too. With patience you can restore an edge to a badly dulled knife just with a single steel rod. I do it all the time at my (other) daughter's house.
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You don't have to know anything about "bevel" to get a knife sharp and to use it. Do my knives cut? Yes they do. For years past, now, and I trust for years in the future. And when I say cut, I mean really cut. What more can yours do?
And by the way, that "ONLY aligning the edge" business is BS. The V-sharpeners definitely remove metal. And they are just two steels arranged just so. Steels do remove metal and quite effectively too. With patience you can restore an edge to a badly dulled knife just with a single steel rod. I do it all the time at my (other) daughter's house.
And by the way, that "ONLY aligning the edge" business is BS. The V-sharpeners definitely remove metal. And they are just two steels arranged just so. Steels do remove metal and quite effectively too. With patience you can restore an edge to a badly dulled knife just with a single steel rod. I do it all the time at my (other) daughter's house.
BS? The function of a steel is to preserve an edge, to sharpen with one is akin to taking a long walk off a short pier. Unnecessary waste of time.
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05-26-15, 03:29 PM
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05-26-15, 03:39 PM
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