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18 lbs for $200 so, $11.11/lb. Cheaper than a NY steak per lb. A good climbing bike which almost gets me into the WW club.
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Exactly. Disc brakes are not only heavier, they’re also ugly. Not to mention unnecessary. I’d stack my 7700 rim brakes against discs any day.
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Serious question here: It has been apparent and still is, based on some of the posts on this thread, that some folks will spend quite a bit of money to lose what amounts to ounces here and there to have a light bike. How do you folks who consider yourselves 'weight weinees' feel about the advent of hydraulic disc brakes? Just like that, the industry pretty much created a new standard that appears to go against the 'lighter is better' mantra that they emphasized for so many years.
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Fortunately, that's not a problem for me as I don't find disc brakes ugly. That's subjective, but braking performance is objectively better with disc brakes. Anything else is just tired old bs.
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And yes, disc brakes are ugly. Period.
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Serious question here: It has been apparent and still is, based on some of the posts on this thread, that some folks will spend quite a bit of money to lose what amounts to ounces here and there to have a light bike. How do you folks who consider yourselves 'weight weinees' feel about the advent of hydraulic disc brakes? Just like that, the industry pretty much created a new standard that appears to go against the 'lighter is better' mantra that they emphasized for so many years.
According to Bike Calculator, my rim brake bike should be nearly 45 seconds faster on a local 1ish hour HC climb. However, the times skew unfairly towards my rim brake bike as it was a top of the line non-aero carbon frame from 10 years ago, when some of the lightest bikes were being built. In comparison, my disc brake bike is the lower-tiered grade of carbon and is a heavier endurance frame. If I compare like frames, the difference becomes almost nominal on the same climb.
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I like my Hollowtech. Right when it's starting to look ugly and beat, it starts to de-laminate and you get fresh cranks.
Luckily, I discovered the de-lamintation by testing it off the bike...not on the bike, like one of my friends did.
Luckily, I discovered the de-lamintation by testing it off the bike...not on the bike, like one of my friends did.
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If your BMI is ≤ $/gram, you are fine.
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Your blanket dismissal of disc brakes as “unnecessary” ignores the fact of MTBs and gravel bikes. And you also ignore the road riders who actually want to go fast (as opposed to meeting some subjective aesthetic standard) and hence run deep section cf rims -- which provide a larger performance advantage than a slightly lighter frame and which work better with disc brakes.
Again, you're confusing your own preferences with some universal standard of "best."
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Serious question here: It has been apparent and still is, based on some of the posts on this thread, that some folks will spend quite a bit of money to lose what amounts to ounces here and there to have a light bike. How do you folks who consider yourselves 'weight weinees' feel about the advent of hydraulic disc brakes? Just like that, the industry pretty much created a new standard that appears to go against the 'lighter is better' mantra that they emphasized for so many years.
I view disc brakes as just another hurdle in the obstical course. Part of the challenge. I'm a 6 foot tall dude. The challenge in this case was to create a UCI illegal steel disk road bike in my size. I failed. My steel disc bike clocks in at 16 pounds (as ridden) +/- a bit depending on the state of the tire sealant.
Could I save a bit of weight with lighter tires & switching to the venerable SRAM 2x11 drivetrain? Probably. But I find SRAM grating to use and their front derailleurs (IMO) are garbage. I have the parts sitting on a shelf. I could do the "upgrade" for free if I wanted to. The loss of functionality/reliability just isn't worth any further trade off for what won't amount to enough needed to accomplish the goal. A practical steel disc bike under the 15lb limit. Disc brakes are just part of the challenge. I could move most of the stuff over to an Aethos if I moved the goalposts. But where's the fun in that?
When I commissioned the frame I specified it to accommodate a Sturmey-Archer CS-RK3 and that it can fit 42mm tires with fenders and a rack. I might retool it as an all-road gravel bike. That could be a fun project, too.
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Pair of 7700 calipers : ~= 320 g
Pair of Ekar calipers: ~= 240 g
Stopping power? I have 7700 on my old Peugeot because when they were first sold they were leaps and bounds better than any single pivot brake. Compared to the Ekar disc? Not even close. Even in the dry. And I have never had a disc brake ice up or the cable freeze.
Looks are subjective. I think the Ekar look great. I think my Skeleton rim brakes look great. I think my 7700 look OK too, but I mean, come on! The Campagnolo stuff looks beautiful no matter what.
If I want to lower the weight on the discs I can get some Carbon Ti discs that are under 200 g for a pair. I suspect my Winspace wheels with a set of theoretical Carbon Ti disc would weigh less than an old set of aluminum rim wheels from the era of the 7700.
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WW starts when weight is prioritized over other important parameters that negatively impact overall performance.
Usually, optimizing for lower weight results in reduced reliability. If a part fails during a race, the marginal gains due to lower weight are no help.
If you were asked to build the lightest bike possible, it really comes down to intended use.
Are you building a race day climbing bike for a light weight pro, or a cobble crusher for a monument contender?
Usually, optimizing for lower weight results in reduced reliability. If a part fails during a race, the marginal gains due to lower weight are no help.
If you were asked to build the lightest bike possible, it really comes down to intended use.
Are you building a race day climbing bike for a light weight pro, or a cobble crusher for a monument contender?
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Not even in the same arena…
There is no discussion, the discs flat smoke the rim brakes.