difference between single and double front of saddle?
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...no consensus as to advantages of a double nose over single nose saddle....
I don't really understand the stubby nosed appeal. Is it an appearance thing?
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I guess it can depend on the saddles being compared. My impression looking at the Selle Italia, is that yes, the nose is wider on the stubby ("Boost") version, but that is solely because the extension is removed off the front where it continues to narrow on the standard saddle. Ie. if you draw a line on the standard saddle where it is cut short, the width at that point is really not much different. And if you don't sit on the saddle past that point anyway, it wouldn't matter.
For those riders who like to move around a lot on the saddle then a longer flatter saddle makes more sense. I tend to prefer a shorter, slightly wider saddle. I can still get forward on it but I don’t ride like that very often and prefer a more defined primary position. I also prefer a slight kick up at the back, which I find useful when climbing seated.
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So if you don’t ever sit on the very front part of the long saddle then would it not be logical to chop it off and go with the shorter version?
For those riders who like to move around a lot on the saddle then a longer flatter saddle makes more sense. I tend to prefer a shorter, slightly wider saddle. I can still get forward on it but I don’t ride like that very often and prefer a more defined primary position. I also prefer a slight kick up at the back, which I find useful when climbing seated.
For those riders who like to move around a lot on the saddle then a longer flatter saddle makes more sense. I tend to prefer a shorter, slightly wider saddle. I can still get forward on it but I don’t ride like that very often and prefer a more defined primary position. I also prefer a slight kick up at the back, which I find useful when climbing seated.
I guess the longer saddle is good for 'just in case' instances that there is a rare instance where riding that far up makes sense.
If the short saddle thing came about to solve for UCI restrictions, I think it's safe to say that most of us here aren't worried about that too much.
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Interesting, thanks. I don't think I've ever tried sitting forward in the saddle during a climb.
This source suggests the opposite, that sitting back on the saddle improves climbing by opening up the knee angle at the top of the pedal stroke:
This source suggests the opposite, that sitting back on the saddle improves climbing by opening up the knee angle at the top of the pedal stroke:
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Well yeah.. if you don't ever sit on the very front, then chop it off. But I wasn't understanding how this in itself makes the shorter saddles any more or less comfortable than standard saddles. All brands now seems to offer these, and from what I gather, they seem pretty popular now -- I was just curious why. Many of these stubby saddles seemed to start appearing only about 3-4 years ago if memory serves.
I guess the longer saddle is good for 'just in case' instances that there is a rare instance where riding that far up makes sense.
If the short saddle thing came about to solve for UCI restrictions, I think it's safe to say that most of us here aren't worried about that too much.
I guess the longer saddle is good for 'just in case' instances that there is a rare instance where riding that far up makes sense.
If the short saddle thing came about to solve for UCI restrictions, I think it's safe to say that most of us here aren't worried about that too much.
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Maintaining control of your machine is the main one.
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I agree but you would have to go to the extreme to make any real difference. I haven’t fallen off the bike since losing an inch of saddle nose. Control feels the same.
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I press back into the saddle, lower my shoulders, and rock my shoulders on each downstroke.
If I feel myself slipping off the back of the saddle, I’ll also pull forward on the bars on each downstroke.
The steeper the grade, the more my torso moves.
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Shorter nose saddle is less likely to catch when riding out of the saddle or getting back on the saddle after having gotten off at a stop. For people who still supertuck, also makes it easier to move back the posterior all the way to the seatpost.
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It’s not saying the opposite, but rather referrimg to a different type of climbing which they did not specify, but which would be long, shallow climbs. On steep climbs, you scooch forward to keep your weight on top of the pedals, pull on the bars, and to keep the front wheel on the road.
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I've never ridden an ISM, or any other split/cropped saddle, but then I appreciate having defined forward and rearward positions on the saddle as it is.
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Coming from a mountain bike background I instinctively sit forward on really steep climbs, but on shallower road climbs I think I tend to sit back more. But I don't actually think about it while riding. Our brains are pretty good at working out what works best for us and that isn't the same for everybody. You only have to look at the pro peloton climbing to see multiple different styles in use.
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This is correct. There is literally no consensus when it comes to saddle choice. Saddles come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, just like people's butts! Unfortunately there's a fair bit of trial and error involved in choosing a saddle, but I would start off with something more conventional than the ISM and see how it goes. Some shops have demo saddles to try too. I've been through a few saddles in my time, but I'm really liking this one from Fizik. It's pretty easy on the man gear with the cut-out and comfortable for all day endurance rides. The best saddles are the ones you don't actually notice when riding.
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There was an interesting discussion recently explaining the difference between grade percent and degree. Some posters in this thread might want to search for it.
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You may have a problem here. The rails put this seat quite a bit further back relative to most and are not very long. Others have mentioned this issue in reviews.
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I don't really understand the stubby nosed appeal. Is it an appearance thing? I never ride sitting on the nose of my non-stubby saddle, nor find the nose to be in the way. So what is gained by having that last ~4cm lopped off the front (a bit of weight savings)? I considered the Selle Italia "Boost" version of the SP-01, but didn't see any advantage so I've been happy with the standard. FWIW, the stubby version seems to be priced higher also.
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A Cannondale SAVE seat post in 25.4 mm diameter with 0 mm offset theoretically exists, but I have never seen it in stock anywhere.
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I have both the Selle Boost SP-01 and the ISM 1.0. Very different feel to each. The Selle has a more traditional feel and don’t find discomfort with less support due to the cut-out putting more pressure on the sit bones. I find it comfortable for 50-60 miles. The Selle weighs next to nothing, which I found amazing. The ISM spreads your thighs a bit farther apart which initially felt weird but got used to it in a couple of weeks. The ISM, despite its looks, is supremely comfortable for me no matter the distance. For sustained climbing, as also a mtn biker, I move to the nose where the ISM really excels for comfort. The ISM is more of a time trial style seat. The ISM, like another poster said, needs to be set a few mm lower and a bit more forward. Both are worthy saddles.
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This is correct. There is literally no consensus when it comes to saddle choice. Saddles come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, just like people's butts! Unfortunately there's a fair bit of trial and error involved in choosing a saddle, but I would start off with something more conventional than the ISM and see how it goes. Some shops have demo saddles to try too. I've been through a few saddles in my time, but I'm really liking this one from Fizik. It's pretty easy on the man gear with the cut-out and comfortable for all day endurance rides. The best saddles are the ones you don't actually notice when riding.