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05-30-21, 11:56 AM
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The black jersey was my uniform for a cross country ride sponsored by 42 Below vodka. I ride close to the traffic lane so that I am perceived as an obstacle to motorists. I ride with a mirror so that if a driver is over the line I can move over. I have found that if I cross into the traffic lane most drivers will move over. If not then I move back.
05-30-21, 01:05 PM
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05-30-21, 04:46 PM
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Sticking to my guns, means I'm going to try & make them replace my bike. Why should I have to worry about future issues with the bike?
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05-30-21, 06:07 PM
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05-30-21, 06:32 PM
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I never argued he should get a new bike, Perhaps you are confusing me with another user. I only offer that if one is going the litigation route it is best to keep the lips shut in public so as to not expose one's position.
That's it from me on the pro bono work. Next set of advice I have to bill you.
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05-30-21, 06:46 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, Are their client crossed my path & we collided. The bike shop gave the bike a two minute look over, what level of expert are they in dealing with potential frame damage? this isn't just a quick cash grab .If they're so sure that its ok, they can sell it to recoup some of their losses.
The bike does have some scrapes on it, plus the rear derailleur has some damage.
The bike does have some scrapes on it, plus the rear derailleur has some damage.
05-30-21, 07:41 PM
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I never argued he should get a new bike, Perhaps you are confusing me with another user. I only offer that if one is going the litigation route it is best to keep the lips shut in public so as to not expose one's position.
That's it from me on the pro bono work. Next set of advice I have to bill you.
That's it from me on the pro bono work. Next set of advice I have to bill you.
Your last line implies that you are an attorney; if so, can you explain the basis of your advice in the first line? Examples?
I am genuinely curious, as I have been party to two auto accidents that resulted in legal action and settlements: one was the death of an immediate family member, long before social media existed, and we were never told to NOT discuss the case with friends and acquaintances. The other was a more recent accident in which my wife and I were hit (and injured) by another motorist, who was at fault, and this was in the modern social media era -- and again, we were never cautioned against sharing info. Have their been some precedents?
05-30-21, 07:44 PM
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I've lost track: who is "them"? Giant, or the motorcyclist? If Giant, you've already gotten your answer from the dealer, right? If the motorcyclist, I am still rather curious about the details of the incident: were police involved, was the MC rider ticketed, did the MC rider admit guilt and give you insurance info, etc?
05-30-21, 08:59 PM
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If you do get a new bike ensure it is not carbon. Obviously, you have a deep distrust of the material as others on this forum, even if you get a new bike next time you drop it or hit a pothole you will be going through all this again. The consensus seems to be custom titanium which can be purchased for just a few dollars more than the bike you are presently riding, at least that is from what I hear on the forums.
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05-30-21, 10:35 PM
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Good background reading
How Do Carbon Mountain Bike Frames Break? Shawn Small of Ruckus Composites Fills Us In
Ruckus uses ultrasound analysis and a newer phased-array process to detect damage and assess repairs.
05-31-21, 12:35 PM
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Experts strongly disagree
Not good to ride with a strobe light, we are bike riders not a mobile discotheque it can be more a distraction and make it harder to see. Riding with a light during the day is fine but flashing and strobing is always best left on the dance floor or a haunted house or probably some CIA extrajudicial torture methods.
05-31-21, 12:36 PM
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I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
05-31-21, 01:54 PM
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I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
05-31-21, 01:55 PM
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[QUOTE=Koyote;22081891]I've lost track: who is "them"? Giant, or the motorcyclist? If Giant, you've already gotten your answer from the dealer, right? If the motorcyclist, I am still rather curious about the details of the incident: were police involved, was the MC rider ticketed, did the MC rider admit guilt and give you insurance info, etc?[/QUOT
Sorry, them was referring to the Motorcyclist, yes he was ticketed, yes he admitted guilt. Police got his insurance information in the accident report. Plus two independent witnesses.
Sorry, them was referring to the Motorcyclist, yes he was ticketed, yes he admitted guilt. Police got his insurance information in the accident report. Plus two independent witnesses.
05-31-21, 02:01 PM
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Yeah, then you should just go after his insurance company. As someone else noted, the price of your new bike is pretty trivial to an insurance company.
I seriously doubt that you need legal representation… The mere possibility, or thread, of hiring an attorney will move them.
I've lost track: who is "them"? Giant, or the motorcyclist? If Giant, you've already gotten your answer from the dealer, right? If the motorcyclist, I am still rather curious about the details of the incident: were police involved, was the MC rider ticketed, did the MC rider admit guilt and give you insurance info, etc?[/QUOT
Sorry, them was referring to the Motorcyclist, yes he was ticketed, yes he admitted guilt. Police got his insurance information in the accident report. Plus two independent witnesses.
Sorry, them was referring to the Motorcyclist, yes he was ticketed, yes he admitted guilt. Police got his insurance information in the accident report. Plus two independent witnesses.
I seriously doubt that you need legal representation… The mere possibility, or thread, of hiring an attorney will move them.
05-31-21, 02:36 PM
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I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
05-31-21, 03:13 PM
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I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
OTOH, You bought a NEW bike and it was on its maiden voyage. That's what you should get.
05-31-21, 03:18 PM
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Do not ride a crashed carbon bike
I bought a Giant Revolt Advanced 2 yesterday, On my first ride today A motorcycle turned left in front of me, We collided is it wrong of me to want a new bike? I cannot see any damage to the frame except a few scuff marks on the brakes. I was doing about 17MPH when we collided. With the carbon frame & forks, how would I tell if theirs damage? I have a few bruises & scrapes on my legs.
Thank you.
Thank you.
carbon fiber is notorious for failing without warning after crash damage especially forks. Naturally with a proper inspection it is difficult to determine the true extent of the damage but I would strongly encourage you NOT to ride it again. The motorcyclist should pay for a replacement if he was at fault. If you were at fault then I would strongly suggest you have the bike professionally evaluated before riding again. Might find it difficult to find someone who will provide that evaluation as they become liable if the bike fails
05-31-21, 03:18 PM
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There are various ways you can be covered while riding a bike -- glad no injuries. In some states you are covered under your auto policy for medical -- it gets complicated. Don't delay with seeking medical if any symptoms pop up.
As to the bike ... Anothers liability insurance is not direct to you. They don't have any contract with you -- they pay based on a judgment. Most companies are not going to wait for this to occur when the insured is clearly at fault and they would lose in court. But -- its really a situation of now having to show or prove damage to the bike.
Getting something in writing from a legitimate source that a carbon bike cannot be guaranteed safe after a crash would be wise to obtain -- if that is possible.
You would have the same issues under a homeowners policy .... even with that being first person. There has to be proof of a loss ...IE damage. That would also be subject to any deductible. Also, many standard mass market homeowners policies are full of sub-catagory loss caps. IE -- we will pay to replace bicycles at value up to a max of $1500. So you can have three bikes each worth 5k and you get $1500 for all of them in a house fire.
As to the bike ... Anothers liability insurance is not direct to you. They don't have any contract with you -- they pay based on a judgment. Most companies are not going to wait for this to occur when the insured is clearly at fault and they would lose in court. But -- its really a situation of now having to show or prove damage to the bike.
Getting something in writing from a legitimate source that a carbon bike cannot be guaranteed safe after a crash would be wise to obtain -- if that is possible.
You would have the same issues under a homeowners policy .... even with that being first person. There has to be proof of a loss ...IE damage. That would also be subject to any deductible. Also, many standard mass market homeowners policies are full of sub-catagory loss caps. IE -- we will pay to replace bicycles at value up to a max of $1500. So you can have three bikes each worth 5k and you get $1500 for all of them in a house fire.
05-31-21, 03:47 PM
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I am sure that flashing lights have existed since the early 2000's at least. Nevertheless, they are practically expected by the majority of drivers and, more importantly, law enforcement authority figures. I don't use mine in the daytime, because I'd rather save the batteries for when they are really needed.
All that said, I have little fear of riding without lights! 45 years in urban traffic and no serious collisions ... no collisions ever, to date. It ain't luck! You CAN prevent most collisions by riding defensively, and by not putting responsibility for your safety onto the shoulders of total strangers. I'm not telling you that, I figure you know that already. When I turn on the flasher it is so that if I wind up in an accident no one can say "see, if he had had flashers ...", but I would never suggest to someone (as has been done in this thread) that they should use flashers to prevent an accident. They do not, and cannot. Ride defensively.
All that said, I have little fear of riding without lights! 45 years in urban traffic and no serious collisions ... no collisions ever, to date. It ain't luck! You CAN prevent most collisions by riding defensively, and by not putting responsibility for your safety onto the shoulders of total strangers. I'm not telling you that, I figure you know that already. When I turn on the flasher it is so that if I wind up in an accident no one can say "see, if he had had flashers ...", but I would never suggest to someone (as has been done in this thread) that they should use flashers to prevent an accident. They do not, and cannot. Ride defensively.
No one who understands anything about optics would recommend a flashing headlight at night. All that can do is disorient the oncoming driver. Red flashers don't have such a dramatic effect, but the flashing white light both makes it harder to determine where the rider actually is and how fast she is going, it's also making it impossible for the driver's pupils to adjust between light and dark.
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05-31-21, 06:23 PM
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I am serious and don't call me surely. I am sure plenty of money has been spent putting strobes on bicycle lights and yes something has remained on the market for a long time. That doesn't make it a good thing it just means it has stayed around or they know they can market it at people and those people will want to use it because they don't have to be on the receiving end of it. When ever I am confronted by a flashing or strobing light I have to close my eyes and look away which could lead to a crash on my end because I can't see. Thankfully I haven't ever had a seizure but know people who do.
I get it we like to think they work better because they are flashing and flashing things can grab attention. Some guy walking down the street with a closed trench coat doesn't really make you look twice but when his ding-a-ling is hanging out you notice. But unlike with the genitals which won't cause much harm if you look at them, a flashing light in your eyes can, especially white light (and non-warm light) which is more damaging to eyes.
Keep in mind we used DDT for around 30 years, Cocaine started life out as legal and sold in lots of places for health purposes, Informer by Snow spent 7 weeks at number 1 on the Billboard music charts. The point is we sometimes do things for long periods of time that may not always be right or good but if you market it correctly people will go for it.
I get it we like to think they work better because they are flashing and flashing things can grab attention. Some guy walking down the street with a closed trench coat doesn't really make you look twice but when his ding-a-ling is hanging out you notice. But unlike with the genitals which won't cause much harm if you look at them, a flashing light in your eyes can, especially white light (and non-warm light) which is more damaging to eyes.
Keep in mind we used DDT for around 30 years, Cocaine started life out as legal and sold in lots of places for health purposes, Informer by Snow spent 7 weeks at number 1 on the Billboard music charts. The point is we sometimes do things for long periods of time that may not always be right or good but if you market it correctly people will go for it.
05-31-21, 06:24 PM
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Science says:
~ Flashing lights are easier to notice
~ It is harder to judge distance of a blinking light.
~ Intoxicated drivers somehow manage to run into blinking lights thanks to the the "Moth Effect."
Exact correlation between conspicuousness and safety remains unclear.
05-31-21, 06:25 PM
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No one who understands anything about optics would recommend a flashing headlight at night. All that can do is disorient the oncoming driver. Red flashers don't have such a dramatic effect, but the flashing white light both makes it harder to determine where the rider actually is and how fast she is going, it's also making it impossible for the driver's pupils to adjust between light and dark.