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09-21-17, 04:15 AM
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09-21-17, 12:10 PM
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Fwiw I didn't actually start or name this thread, it was forked from another one.
But as for Euro pros doping, it's not something I worry about as much since it doesn't actually effect me directly. Doping masters or elite guys does.
09-21-17, 12:12 PM
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09-21-17, 12:14 PM
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It does effect you though. Because of the trickle down. At least around here all those guys who got popped in the 90s and now are racing masters were chasing bigger pro deals. The guys below them were chasing up. And so it goes, this thing of ours.
09-21-17, 12:43 PM
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09-24-17, 11:21 PM
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I like casein for the consistency of the mix and flavor. At home I shake it over ice, at work where I have cold cold water I have ON whey and it's labeled as "banned substance tested." That's the closest I've gotten.
here's the "high risk supplement" list. after the cyclobenzaprine thing, I checked all the stuff I take against this and none is listed, which just means it hasn't been an issue _yet_. https://www.usada.org/substances/supplement-411/
here's the "high risk supplement" list. after the cyclobenzaprine thing, I checked all the stuff I take against this and none is listed, which just means it hasn't been an issue _yet_. https://www.usada.org/substances/supplement-411/
last year i saw that there are some certifying bodies (i think 'clean sport' was one of them), but it's hard to find supplements here in the US that actually comply. not sure if this is because it reduces margins or if people in the US typically don't care about this stuff.
the same brands would sell product in the UK or Europe that was verified...but the US batches were not. does this mean the manufacturer is using clean techniques? i don't think it's a guarantee, esp if they are using different facilities to produce for different markets (likely).
09-25-17, 01:53 PM
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Fun part is for USA you can see how many times each cyclist was tested.
All 2050 of them. Horner wins!
Soccer: 1145 Total Tests ~300 athletes Cycling: 10596 Total Tests 2050 athletes
https://www.usada.org/testing/result...-test-history/
All 2050 of them. Horner wins!
Soccer: 1145 Total Tests ~300 athletes Cycling: 10596 Total Tests 2050 athletes
https://www.usada.org/testing/result...-test-history/
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09-29-17, 01:29 PM
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I was looking up supplements online, and one of my google searches turned up this site: NSF Certified for Sport : Certified Products
I know the protein I buy from Costco has an NSF logo on it and an ad that states "No Banned Substances."
Are any of you familiar with this program?
I don't know how legit the program is, but as far as I can tell, it seems to be the only organization around that tests and certifies supplements.
I know the protein I buy from Costco has an NSF logo on it and an ad that states "No Banned Substances."
Are any of you familiar with this program?
I don't know how legit the program is, but as far as I can tell, it seems to be the only organization around that tests and certifies supplements.
09-29-17, 05:25 PM
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I was looking up supplements online, and one of my google searches turned up this site: NSF Certified for Sport : Certified Products
I know the protein I buy from Costco has an NSF logo on it and an ad that states "No Banned Substances."
Are any of you familiar with this program?
I don't know how legit the program is, but as far as I can tell, it seems to be the only organization around that tests and certifies supplements.
I know the protein I buy from Costco has an NSF logo on it and an ad that states "No Banned Substances."
Are any of you familiar with this program?
I don't know how legit the program is, but as far as I can tell, it seems to be the only organization around that tests and certifies supplements.
MRI had a list of stuff they certified was OK for cycling and a list of things that clearly were not. I was impressed they knew. It is like a butcher that makes a point of keeping the pork and chicken at the other end of the shop from beef and fish. You feel while it may not be Kosher, it is more likely a place I'd get steak tar tar from. Still, when I want raw fish - I just go someplace that does raw fish. What I think that is supposed to mean is watch for places that make both clean and banned stuff. Many of the body building brands scare me a bit, as they have to stuff for both in the same place. It would be a significant mistake to mix them, but they still have to warn us about things made in factories with peanuts. So I would look a bit at who makes it and what else they make.
My opinion.
If you are an older Cat 1 or below, do your best and don't worry about it. Save the label, you won't be tested (until things change). If you win a whole bunch, worry about everything. If you are a kid coming up and want options open - worry too.
10-03-17, 09:51 AM
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Aint this some **** - French veteran racer defends his use of mechanical doping | Cyclingnews.com
10-03-17, 10:52 AM
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Aint this some **** - French veteran racer defends his use of mechanical doping | Cyclingnews.com
It's good though, he only did it to have less trouble at the _end_ of races, when it matters least.
10-03-17, 10:53 AM
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I guess I'm behind the times. Why do they keep calling this rudimentary? Is there better next generation or 2 out there that I haven't heard of yet? I thought this was what most of the mechanical doping engines were.
10-03-17, 10:58 AM
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Haha this guy's got all of the rationalizations down:
Everyone's doing it
I'm just leveling the playing field because I have XYZ medical problem
Well, I suppose he missed:
It just helps me recover
-and-
Well, where do you draw the line, really, between pedaling, power-assisted-pedaling, and a full-on motor, its really just one big huge grey zone...
Everyone's doing it
I'm just leveling the playing field because I have XYZ medical problem
Well, I suppose he missed:
It just helps me recover
-and-
Well, where do you draw the line, really, between pedaling, power-assisted-pedaling, and a full-on motor, its really just one big huge grey zone...
10-03-17, 12:02 PM
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Not that I'm going to say he's 100% wrong, it just seems like the next logical step.
10-03-17, 01:28 PM
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Cue @Doge and his, "if we don't give a TUE for this, why do we give it for drugs?"
Not that I'm going to say he's 100% wrong, it just seems like the next logical step.
Not that I'm going to say he's 100% wrong, it just seems like the next logical step.
10-03-17, 02:43 PM
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Aint this some **** - French veteran racer defends his use of mechanical doping | Cyclingnews.com
10-03-17, 03:25 PM
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I'm fat, I should be allowed to have a lighter bike. Or better yet, we should take a cue from handicapped horseraces and you should have to put weights in your saddle to make up the difference.
I'm taller than you, so I should be able to have an aerodynamically slipperier bike.
I spent the last 6 months without looking at the bottom of my shoes, so I didn't notice that one of my cleats had slipped to an odd angle and didn't think anything of the fact that my toe was pointed in farther than usual (my knee was hurting for other structural reasons anyway so I didn't notice the additional stress), so everyone else should have ridden in an unoptimal position as well.
You have a higher pain tolerance, so I should be allowed to ride on vicoden.
I'm lazier than you, so...
What races meant to test?
Eh, I don't know. I just like riding my bike.
I'm taller than you, so I should be able to have an aerodynamically slipperier bike.
I spent the last 6 months without looking at the bottom of my shoes, so I didn't notice that one of my cleats had slipped to an odd angle and didn't think anything of the fact that my toe was pointed in farther than usual (my knee was hurting for other structural reasons anyway so I didn't notice the additional stress), so everyone else should have ridden in an unoptimal position as well.
You have a higher pain tolerance, so I should be allowed to ride on vicoden.
I'm lazier than you, so...
What races meant to test?
Eh, I don't know. I just like riding my bike.
10-03-17, 07:19 PM
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I would love to see what it's like to have a higher FTP, like 300w or something. I figured a Tues Night would be the place to try such a thing, nothing on the line, I could sit up before the last lap. I'm pretty sure that I'd approach racing differently with a +100w FTP.
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10-05-17, 08:26 AM
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a teammate (and friend) of mine won Dana Point cat 3 last year and got tested by USADA, which was pretty cool, except he was worried he wouldn't pass because he smoked a joint at a party a week or so at a party. He's not a regular user (like yours truly). So stupid IMO.
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so did he get 6 months or were levels low enough that it was "out of competition"
10-05-17, 01:45 PM
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Levels were low enough. You need to use it with some frequency before it starts to build up in your fat.
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10-05-17, 02:42 PM
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I would love to see what it's like to have a higher FTP, like 300w or something. I figured a Tues Night would be the place to try such a thing, nothing on the line, I could sit up before the last lap. I'm pretty sure that I'd approach racing differently with a +100w FTP.