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Sadly, that is not beyond the realm of believability. I can see people comparing counts on Zwift and Strava.
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I have been warned that I am not supposed to mention "that" type of bike here on the General Cycling Discussion. Too bad it could be good information in this this case. Being laid back with "that" type of bike the boyz lay on top of my legs, with no pressure, and stay cool!!!
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The wife and I are about to try for our third and her GP, less than helpfully, told her I need to reduce my cycling to improve sperm count and motility.
Help!
A quick google seems to support the GP, but any reliable evidence to say otherwise? Other ways to mitigate?
Have a big ride coming up that already has me worried on my current level of training (6hrs/week). Be a shame if I couldn’t see the birth of the third because I’d expired due to lack of training on this ride.
Help!
A quick google seems to support the GP, but any reliable evidence to say otherwise? Other ways to mitigate?
Have a big ride coming up that already has me worried on my current level of training (6hrs/week). Be a shame if I couldn’t see the birth of the third because I’d expired due to lack of training on this ride.
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The wife and I are about to try for our third and her GP, less than helpfully, told her I need to reduce my cycling to improve sperm count and motility.
Help!
A quick google seems to support the GP, but any reliable evidence to say otherwise? Other ways to mitigate?
Have a big ride coming up that already has me worried on my current level of training (6hrs/week). Be a shame if I couldn’t see the birth of the third because I’d expired due to lack of training on this ride.
Help!
A quick google seems to support the GP, but any reliable evidence to say otherwise? Other ways to mitigate?
Have a big ride coming up that already has me worried on my current level of training (6hrs/week). Be a shame if I couldn’t see the birth of the third because I’d expired due to lack of training on this ride.
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Beware of Conventional Wisdom, especially in Medicine. When I was originally diagnosed with hypertension the doc said something about having to give up coffee. A year or so ago, I tested that hypothesis - I checked my BP before, during, and after my usual daily consumption of 2 big cups of strong black coffee. The result? No difference. Apparently, caffeine increases your blood pressure if you're one of those for whom caffeine increases your blood pressure. If you're not, it doesn't. BUT, Conventional Wisdom says it does, so doctors tell you to give up coffee.
One problem with using, as my wife says, "Dr. Google" as your medical advisor is that generally it finds articles in the popular press, and the popular press invariably overinterprets scientific studies, always looks for the most sensational ones, and then a bunch of articles come out all referring to ONE study, and often citing each other.
One problem with using, as my wife says, "Dr. Google" as your medical advisor is that generally it finds articles in the popular press, and the popular press invariably overinterprets scientific studies, always looks for the most sensational ones, and then a bunch of articles come out all referring to ONE study, and often citing each other.
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I have found that to impregnate someone, I did need to get off the bike. You, however, might be better at the gymnastics.
If this is #3, what reason is there to believe there's been a problem with sperm count so far?
If this is #3, what reason is there to believe there's been a problem with sperm count so far?
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One problem with using, as my wife says, "Dr. Google" as your medical advisor is that generally it finds articles in the popular press, and the popular press invariably overinterprets scientific studies, always looks for the most sensational ones, and then a bunch of articles come out all referring to ONE study, and often citing each other.
I have a had a person tell me, "I know it is right because I saw it on over a dozen websites," who refused to understand that it was a slight rewording (just enough to dodge plagiarism laws) of the same article ... and in some cases was exactly the same article (for instance when a news outlet shares a popular article with all its local affiliates across the nation.)
I have seen some amazing "overinterpretations" of studies done on fruit flies or brine shrimp, with headlines Like "People are more apt to die if they mate" and such.
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I have seen this a lot. If one weirdoid website gets a little traction with an article which mentions (and usually massively misunderstands and totally sensationalizes) some abstruse medical report, immediately two dozen other sites will write an almost identical article to capitalize on the google-based hist the first one received.
I have a had a person tell me, "I know it is right because I saw it on over a dozen websites," who refused to understand that it was a slight rewording (just enough to dodge plagiarism laws) of the same article ... and in some cases was exactly the same article (for instance when a news outlet shares a popular article with all its local affiliates across the nation.)
I have seen some amazing "overinterpretations" of studies done on fruit flies or brine shrimp, with headlines Like "People are more apt to die if they mate" and such.
I have a had a person tell me, "I know it is right because I saw it on over a dozen websites," who refused to understand that it was a slight rewording (just enough to dodge plagiarism laws) of the same article ... and in some cases was exactly the same article (for instance when a news outlet shares a popular article with all its local affiliates across the nation.)
I have seen some amazing "overinterpretations" of studies done on fruit flies or brine shrimp, with headlines Like "People are more apt to die if they mate" and such.
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Take an interest in genealogy and beyond the inevitability you'll be astonished at the inequity. The men would breed their wives until they died in childbirth, maybe after 6 or 8, then remarry and breed again. Not unusual to see men widowed three times with kids by each poor wife. Turn back the clock to the good old days? Nah.
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Take an interest in genealogy and beyond the inevitability you'll be astonished at the inequity. The men would breed their wives until they died in childbirth, maybe after 6 or 8, then remarry and breed again. Not unusual to see men widowed three times with kids by each poor wife. Turn back the clock to the good old days? Nah.
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One thing I learned from geneology - I have both longevity and brevity in my ancestry. One great grandmother lived to 100. Another crapped out in her early 60s.
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EDIT: "GeneJockey" is a description of what I have done for a living most of my career. People on forums often call me "Gene", which makes me wonder if they think I'm a little guy named Eugene with an affinity for horses.
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I would question the rationale for wanting 3 children in the 1st place. There are over 8 billion people on the planet. The population growth is not sustainable.
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I’ve been cycling seriously since I was 12 years old, I’ve ridden hundreds of thousands of miles. When I was in my 40’s my wife had me see a fertility specialist even before she wanted to get pregnant, so I went through the entertaining experience of providing the clinical with a sample. My count was in the 90th percentile, I joked with my wife that she might get pregnant if she stood too close to me. When we went through the motions of getting pregnant, it went perhaps a little too easily, and a year later we had our first kid. Perhaps I’m some kind of exception, but if more than 30 years of riding bicycles, motorcycles, and even horses have an effect on sperm count, in my case it may have helped.
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Nature, by hook or crook, does a remarkable job of regulating itself, and though human beings like to pretend that their intelligence and ability to make conscious decisions puts them above the limits imposed by nature, that is not the case. There is a kind of collective unconscious intelligence which regulates our societies, and while we can push the scale in one or the other direction for a period of time, nature always reverts back to balance. The decision on how many children we should have is and should be determined on our ability to house, feed, clothe, and educate them. If you can afford to raise 10 children, and want to have 10 children, knock yourself out. If you can afford only one, then have only one.
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That was said in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, and, as shown in your post, is still said today. Yet no matter how much the population increases, there seems to be no imminent lack or even decrease of resources. Rather than more people having fewer available resources, the opposite has occurred. Following current trends, world populations are due to peak during this century, and will begin to subside thereafter, and this will happen without population control policy. This has been the case here in Japan since the 80’s. At a certain economic level, society becomes able to automatically perform the basic math necessary to have the optimal number of children given the available resources. This phenomena is not limited to human beings, the number of offspring produced by other species also varies depending on the availability of resources, regardless of how primitive that species is. For example, coyotes have been considered a pest in rural America for generations, and for generations the BLM has enacted population control measures to reduce their numbers. None of these measures have proven effective, the population level remains consistent. In the wild where coyotes are left alone, their litters vary from 2 to 4 pups, in farm country where they are hunted or trapped heavily, their litters vary from 8 pups and upwards.
Nature, by hook or crook, does a remarkable job of regulating itself, and though human beings like to pretend that their intelligence and ability to make conscious decisions puts them above the limits imposed by nature, that is not the case. There is a kind of collective unconscious intelligence which regulates our societies, and while we can push the scale in one or the other direction for a period of time, nature always reverts back to balance. The decision on how many children we should have is and should be determined on our ability to house, feed, clothe, and educate them. If you can afford to raise 10 children, and want to have 10 children, knock yourself out. If you can afford only one, then have only one.
Nature, by hook or crook, does a remarkable job of regulating itself, and though human beings like to pretend that their intelligence and ability to make conscious decisions puts them above the limits imposed by nature, that is not the case. There is a kind of collective unconscious intelligence which regulates our societies, and while we can push the scale in one or the other direction for a period of time, nature always reverts back to balance. The decision on how many children we should have is and should be determined on our ability to house, feed, clothe, and educate them. If you can afford to raise 10 children, and want to have 10 children, knock yourself out. If you can afford only one, then have only one.
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I got two grown sons. Last year I cycled 5000 miles - my vasectomy
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I spent a long time as an environmental activist, diligently laboring to put pressure on industry leaders and politicians to stop crapping in our food, water, and air ... and to convince people in general to stop crapping in their kitchens and throwing out the food, so to speak.
At some point I realized we had passed the tipping point---that even if the next day we cleaned up our collective act, the damage done was too great, and because we cannot magically change overnight, the damaging habits would take a couple decades to change .... it's hilarious in a nauseating way, that a lot of the industrial equipment which is deemed to toxic or too unsafe in the US is ... sold to developing nations because after all, it is Their sky and Their water and Their earth which they would be polluting ... not ours. <facepalm>
Once I realized that it was just too late, I relaxed a lot. Instead of being an EMT, I was more like a hospice nurse .... or maybe a long-term care nurse ... the patient might recover, but likely not and all one can do is palliate ....
And yes, things will eventually renew, one way or another, but people are (so far) way too stupid and selfish to as a whole, make the necessary changes if not prompted by disaster or starvation or dehydration or violence ... which is quite possibly what everyone except the mega-rich will face.
A few more kids aren't going to make any more difference than the mostly worthless curbside recycling programs we all clamored for, or the more efficient appliances we all demanded---while all buying more appliances and gadgets and increasing our energy demands.
I have no idea how bad things will get, and I have no hope but do not ignore the possibility that some amazingly miraculous technological solution will arrive just in time .... but I do see that most people will not significantly change their lives no matter how much people out of sight and earshot might be suffering ..... as the ancient Roman emperors knew, keep the people supplied with bread and circuses, and they will put up with almost anything.
So long as people have phones and internet, blood and lava can be flowing down the street and toxic gas spewing from the manholes ..... every other nation can burn to the ground or sink beneath the waves, even other neighborhoods might be invaded by ravening wolves or feral dogs or feral people .... so long as we can get weed, cigarettes, and liquor, some food and water, and the toilet flushed ... and we have internet .... everything must be fine, right?
At some point I realized we had passed the tipping point---that even if the next day we cleaned up our collective act, the damage done was too great, and because we cannot magically change overnight, the damaging habits would take a couple decades to change .... it's hilarious in a nauseating way, that a lot of the industrial equipment which is deemed to toxic or too unsafe in the US is ... sold to developing nations because after all, it is Their sky and Their water and Their earth which they would be polluting ... not ours. <facepalm>
Once I realized that it was just too late, I relaxed a lot. Instead of being an EMT, I was more like a hospice nurse .... or maybe a long-term care nurse ... the patient might recover, but likely not and all one can do is palliate ....
And yes, things will eventually renew, one way or another, but people are (so far) way too stupid and selfish to as a whole, make the necessary changes if not prompted by disaster or starvation or dehydration or violence ... which is quite possibly what everyone except the mega-rich will face.
A few more kids aren't going to make any more difference than the mostly worthless curbside recycling programs we all clamored for, or the more efficient appliances we all demanded---while all buying more appliances and gadgets and increasing our energy demands.
I have no idea how bad things will get, and I have no hope but do not ignore the possibility that some amazingly miraculous technological solution will arrive just in time .... but I do see that most people will not significantly change their lives no matter how much people out of sight and earshot might be suffering ..... as the ancient Roman emperors knew, keep the people supplied with bread and circuses, and they will put up with almost anything.
So long as people have phones and internet, blood and lava can be flowing down the street and toxic gas spewing from the manholes ..... every other nation can burn to the ground or sink beneath the waves, even other neighborhoods might be invaded by ravening wolves or feral dogs or feral people .... so long as we can get weed, cigarettes, and liquor, some food and water, and the toilet flushed ... and we have internet .... everything must be fine, right?