Perhaps you're right. I certainly do have a problem with people being A$$hole$, and I do make effort to put a stop to such things. Is this right? I don't know. I guess my problem actually stems from a belief the words can REALLY hurt people, even words said in jest, and you can't take them back once they're said. I would much rather people be respectful and get their point across. I think the principle of being respectful should be fairly self-explanitory and people should just do it. I'm by no means saying I'm anywhere near perfect, but it is my intent to help everyone treat everyone else as real human beings. I suppose I'm still trying to convert everyone to my belief system (or whatever you want to call it), but dangit, I have to live in this world to, and I'd like to not get shat upon every time I leave the house (or stay in the house in the instance of this community). I dunno, I think it's a pretty straight-forward extension of the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The whole point of the whole idea is that you have the right to do whatever the **** it is you want to do provided it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights to do the same. My pursuit of happiness is trying to get people to not infringe on anyone else's rights.

A joke poking fun at your friend made to your friend with the intent to make them think about something is VERY different than a joke made to anyone about someone else. I guess that's where I would draw the line. I think there are plenty of ways to disagree, to think someone is completely full of *****, whatever, and still be respectful. I am horrible at this on the street. I'm a complete @ss to anyone I feel is infringing on my right to ride safely on the street. I'm not even a little convinced that this helps anything, or that it is actually what I SHOULD be doing in accordance with my philosophy, but my fear of death has a tendency to come out as pure rage in the direction of the person I think is threatening that right.

Fact of the matter is that you, despite your disagreement about aspects of what I'm saying, are still having a positive intelligent conversation with me without being insulting. I don't have any desire to live in a world where everyone agrees about everything, I just think people shouldn't be @sses about it.


I really apologize for the attitude or appearance of attitude. That is NOT my intention. I don't want to be better than anyone, I would like everyone to be equally pleasant to everyone else.

tax religion

I have a question... why do any of you give a flying ****?

I looked over that site a while ago.. I think that it was linked through the fixie gallery.. Anyway, I looked through it and the stuff they sell just to check it out. I had no idead about the mission part of the site nor do I have any interest in it now.

What difference does the religeous affliction of those kids make? You don't wanna buy their **** then don't... you don't wanna see the religeous blahblahblah on their site DON'T LOOK AT IT! They have a right to their opinion, a right to their religeon and a right to express it.

actually, a number of people have posted on here that he specifically does NOT preach unless asked. The fact of the matter is that there ARE Christians who are NOT ashamed that they are Christians but don't make a big deal out of it. The Scallywag Bike Club has "Jesus Is Lord" on the back of their jackets but that is the total and entire extent of their preaching unless someone asks them a question about it. Christians who are actually on top of their ***** are aware that preaching at people doesn't really do anything but turn them off. My impression of this Gary fellow is that that is where he's at. He's not ashamed, but it IS in fact the center of his life, and if you observe things in his life, it's natural that they will come out. It's like me, I'm a vegetarian. I don't think meat is good for you, etc, but I'm not going to jump around and tell you not to eat meat, but I'm also not going to try to hide it if you ask. I like bikes, I ride bikes, I'm happy to tell people about all the good that bikes can do for them if they ask, but I have no need or desire to be some kind of bike-evangelist. That doesn't mean that my user info shouldn't say that I like bikes or that I don't eat meat.

Also, my objection is not to people voicing their opinions, my objection is aimed directly at people making fun of people as a way of stating their opinion. How would you like it if people made fun of you?

i just moved to the (dayton) area, and i was seriously considering making the 20 mile commute on bicycle to work at gaansari, until i read that religious stuff on their page.

i almost liked them.

OH SNAP!

Think of the money!!!

You should see the CBN place in Los Angeles just off the I5. Lit up like a Christmas Tree and extravagent as all get out.

You could fund some serious stuff with that kind of cash.

fo sho

if you can get off your hobby horse long enough, we should hook up for a ride sometime, as I am a recent dayton arrival myself. Leave my element alone though, or i'll have to turn you over my knee.

your lego element:
or real element?:

and why would he want to mess with it?

Spud, that was INSPIRED.

I've dealt with Gary a couple of times over the phone and e-mail and found him to be a really nice guy. Never pushed anything except his love for excellent bikes. Even if he would have made some comments, I'd respect it. Hey, whatever motivates you to get up and go to work in the mornings works for me...!

do you do any offroad? i never have, but now that i'm out of the city i want to try out my crosscheck in the dirt. i live in yellow springs now, right next to john bryan state park, which has some trails, i hear.

nah, no mountain or cx bikes yet. Here's hoping.

but to bring the convo around and back on topic -- I was just in gaansari on saturday, Gary is indeed a very nice guy, and he has a very trick single speed CX bike that made me drool.