Please use an E-brake
02-02-06 | 11:55 AM
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I ride without a handbrake.
And do not intend to put one on just because this guy ran into a fence.
Given X amount of exposure there is a Y chance that eventually you will find yourself in a situation where you can't escape unscathed PERIOD!
Excuse me while I go hide in my closet.
And do not intend to put one on just because this guy ran into a fence.
Given X amount of exposure there is a Y chance that eventually you will find yourself in a situation where you can't escape unscathed PERIOD!
Excuse me while I go hide in my closet.
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02-02-06 | 11:58 AM
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02-02-06 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by monkey
Panic stop with front brake = endo.
If you endo during a panic stop you don't know how to ride. Put your ass back in the saddle and brake straight.
(if you brake, skid, hop etc. hard in a turn you will fall, single track riding 101. Flamers please note I said "hard" as in panic-stop, the type of stopping that really matters. You can get away with a lot of things when you are not approaching the traction limits of your tires, but when you brake and turn you effectively double the load. I dare you, go out an try it, get up to speed, take a turn and try and stop,... see what happens)
02-02-06 | 12:08 PM
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I hate it when people bring up the first ammendment when it has no relevance. No on said that you shouldn't legally be allowed to say what you did...just that you should keep your pretentous, know-it-all stories to yourself.
02-02-06 | 12:38 PM
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i'll only have a problem if someone brakeless smashes into me when they can't control the bike. as long as you can control your bike and you know what risks you're taking it's no problem. i know a lot of fixed riders who can control their bikes a lot better than some with 2 brakes.
02-02-06 | 12:41 PM
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Either run a pair of brakes or none. If you are accustomed to riding without the brakes, and try to grab your lil' E-brake, you have to change hand positions, if it is set up the way most people here have (Cross or BMX lever next to stem).
02-02-06 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by popluhv
Either run a pair of brakes or none. If you are accustomed to riding without the brakes, and try to grab your lil' E-brake, you have to change hand positions, if it is set up the way most people here have (Cross or BMX lever next to stem).
02-02-06 | 01:16 PM
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Brakes are for snakes.
popluhv, I can't imagine anyone enjoying running a rear brake on a fixie. Moderating your speed with your legs and a brake both would be physically flummoxing, and I think quite uncomfortable. That, and completely unnecessary. You can get all the stopping power you need from your legs, unless of course you just got out of the hospital after having emergency prostate surgery and applying any pressure to your groin would blow the all-important prosto-gasket, and your legs were atrophied from sitting in bed playing through 5 Final Fantasy games in row (cuz your groin was injured) and you were descending the Grand Tetons at 75 MPH into rush hour traffic.
popluhv, I can't imagine anyone enjoying running a rear brake on a fixie. Moderating your speed with your legs and a brake both would be physically flummoxing, and I think quite uncomfortable. That, and completely unnecessary. You can get all the stopping power you need from your legs, unless of course you just got out of the hospital after having emergency prostate surgery and applying any pressure to your groin would blow the all-important prosto-gasket, and your legs were atrophied from sitting in bed playing through 5 Final Fantasy games in row (cuz your groin was injured) and you were descending the Grand Tetons at 75 MPH into rush hour traffic.
02-02-06 | 01:21 PM
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Why not let people make up thier own mind--if they want to take the risk--that's their prerogative. Don't preach me about not using a brake/helmet, or whatever other safety device you prefer. Let people take their own risks. On the converse, don't come crying to me if you dont have a brake and hurt yourself.
If you dont run a brake, you accept the risk that entails.
Your "argument" and so called "logic" could be used to stop people from riding bikes altogether, as they are plenty of people with brakes, helmets and other safety devices that are injured everyday on a bike through no fault of their own.
If you dont run a brake, you accept the risk that entails.
Your "argument" and so called "logic" could be used to stop people from riding bikes altogether, as they are plenty of people with brakes, helmets and other safety devices that are injured everyday on a bike through no fault of their own.
02-02-06 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flythebike
The point isn't the particular circimstance of this event. Rather, that it is a fact that you can stop faster with hand brakes. Given X amount of exposure, there is Y chance that eventually you will find yourself in a situation where you can't escape unscathed without a lot of stopping power. And slowing to a crawl for every blind corner is a pain in the butt to boot. If you take the same route and are constantly faced with the same solution, it is normal to take for granted a certain action. But if those circumstances change, you're fooked. A similar thing has happened to me in with road work.
The First Amendment is still in effect. I'll preach all I want. Since I am, I'll invoke the name of God, Sheldon Brown. He would agree with me 100%. You kids want to ride like you are in control of everything that happens, fine. You want to insult me because you can't properly articulate your views, I could care less.
The First Amendment is still in effect. I'll preach all I want. Since I am, I'll invoke the name of God, Sheldon Brown. He would agree with me 100%. You kids want to ride like you are in control of everything that happens, fine. You want to insult me because you can't properly articulate your views, I could care less.
02-02-06 | 01:27 PM
#43
Originally Posted by skanking biker
Don't you find it ironic that you are claiming you have the right to voice your opinions, but others dont have an equal right tto voice theirs?
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02-02-06 | 02:02 PM
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i was one of those orphans. really though if you can't ride a bike it doesn't matter whether you have brakes or not, you're going to crash. because you can't ride a bike. so what's it matter then?
02-02-06 | 04:11 PM
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like they say, it's the rider not the bike, if you lack the skill to ride a bike, then brakes or no brakes your going to F up on day and hit something or get hit because of your own stupidity and inability to ride a bike properly.
most of my friends here ride brakeless and they can control their bikes just as much as you can with your precious brakes. In fact i have a friend here who rides 2 brakes and i ride faster and harder and safer than he does, why? because i know how to ride in an urban environment.
listen to shants, he said it best earlier.
most of my friends here ride brakeless and they can control their bikes just as much as you can with your precious brakes. In fact i have a friend here who rides 2 brakes and i ride faster and harder and safer than he does, why? because i know how to ride in an urban environment.
listen to shants, he said it best earlier.
02-02-06 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy
one time i was riding brakeless and i ran into a bus full of orphans. i was the only survivor.
But, I run a front brake for one reason, and that is because I am not experienced enough to ride brakeless. Those that ride brakeless and are still intact are the ones that should ride brakeless. If your not entirely sure of your awareness and skill, or if you are just unsure, maybe you should run a front brake.
I hope your friend gets better quickly.
02-02-06 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Phillio
If I can't see around a corner I slow down almost to a complete stop. I just ordered a brake lever so I can run a front brake, but in the 2 or 3 months I've been riding brakeless and haven't had a problem. I take it nice and easy except when I know for sure I can speed up a little, and even then I'm not that fast.
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02-02-06 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by huhenio
I ride too fast down the hills for going brakeless ... no way jose .... front brake is where is at, or coaster.
Some of the hills here in Tallahassee are too big for me to backpedal on. I've tried with all of my strength, but I can't stop without using my brake on some hills.
Is it a strength development issue, or are they just too large?
02-02-06 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DoshKel
Seriously.
Some of the hills here in Tallahassee are too big for me to backpedal on. I've tried with all of my strength, but I can't stop without using my brake on some hills.
Is it a strength development issue, or are they just too large?
Some of the hills here in Tallahassee are too big for me to backpedal on. I've tried with all of my strength, but I can't stop without using my brake on some hills.
Is it a strength development issue, or are they just too large?
back on topic though. i don't run a brake, and haven't for quite awhile. the only wrecks i've ever been in couldn't have been avoided if i had one.