i was just waiting for someone to post something to the effect of...
Jesus Built My Hotrod.

there, i said it.

eh, they have anarchist co-op bike shops... there's really not that big of a difference.

All though our current president may not realize this, religion is not the same thing as politics.

maybe not, but you really couldn't tell from talking to a lot of serious activists.

not that there's anything wrong with that...

the dude's a mtb'er. . .whaddya expect?!

I used to ride mountain bikes when i was younger, so... a little better

Anyone that could turn water into alcohol is my best friend.

Do you think Jesus could turn water into Sparks? I mean, I'd blow him for it if he didn't hate ******s.

EDIT: YOUR OWN...PERSONAL...JESUS...TOAST.

what if jesus knew kung fu?

a good read.

Oh, he already does my friend. He already does.

He could have baked the most delicious chocolate cake. He could have scored more goals than Wayn Gretsky. That's so cool.

Finally this thread goes someplace interesting.

Fixed gear bikes are more evil.

They wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell at winning or retaining their high positions if they weren't. This is just that kind of country. I'm willing to wager that an awful lot of outwardly christian politicians are simply paying lip service to the bulk of their demographic. The tenets and beliefs of the currently-wingnut-status mainstream of that faith are a bit much for most intelligent people to swallow, unless they feel they have to, IMHO.

Just a thought.

I'm glad you aren't a republican and I hate to sound bitter, but..

The USA doesn't run the world- it's this kind of "(christian) man was given dominion over the earth" mass-solipsism that really bugs me about the fact that christians run the country at the moment. The world runs itself, and typically runs itself better where our nose isn't sticking into people's business.

Christianity, at its core, really is a quite nice idea (though bogged down by age-old mythic detritus) that preaches a path to peace and love, and that I can tip my metaphysical hat to. It is a collossal shame that it has been seized by and large by evil people that see it as a great fascia for a worse-than-the-masons secret society- a back-scratching, fake-smiling interlocked system of fiends who wield fear like a schoolmarm's switch and are no more faithful than the most committed atheist, IMHO.

Much like communism is a pretty solid set of ideas and socialism was a poorly-executed, ultimately selfish try at it, so goes christianity and its current ruling class's swipe at making it their tool for social terraforming and massive profit. Shame on them.

As an aside, any religion whose holy text has little-to-no connection to its original, god-inspired first draft due to some king's insane whim is gonna have a hard time impressing me.

Erk, sorry, didn't mean to get so crazy on this.

-rcc

This thread is lame...but Jack Chick tracts...now those are a blast to read.

i hear ya! well-put. who'd a thunk that we'd actually get some intelligent and well thought-out stuff on this forum? well actually i do have to hand it you guys (and chicks), there's some purty intelligent and thoughtful folks here. funny too! must be all the oxygen we get to our heads from ridin' so much!!

there are though, i think, some american politicians who truly believe in jesus and christian tenets in (what is in my opinion) the "proper" way--i'd say jimmy carter for instance. i really don't think he is just "paying lip service to the bulk of [his] demographic." (i don't know if he rides fixed or not.)

anyway, interesting points all.

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Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

Chimbly,you should know that God loves you. And that His Love for you is unconditional.

You should also know that I love you. But my love is conditional. It requires Sparks,pie,and the acknowledgement that Nexus hubs rock.

Hahah, I have been outgeeked. Do i need to get some FSM up in here?

You people need to stop arguing and start spending, because Gaansari is selling Park Tools toilet paper holders for ****ing $18.85!

yeah i'm fairly disappointed that the FSM didnt even get mentioned, less an appearance, until page 3 of this debate, where are all the pastafarians?

The difference is that an anarchist co-op (or collective) is an actual economic model for how a bike shop, or any other shop, can work. Christianity is a religion, not a system of economic organization.

I sprained my wrist two weeks ago, and then I went on a long bike ride with all my weight on the other arm. Now my elbow hurts. Man, I should probably heat up some lunch pretty soon if I'm going to get to work on time tonight. It's been nice talking to you guys. All right. All right, later.

If he didn't put his beliefs on the website, I wouldn't care whether he got my money or not. I own all kinds of crap, and for the most part I have no idea what any of the people who made any of these things believes in. For the most part I don't care, either. But, but, but...when a businessman chooses to associate his beliefs with his business, say, by keeping a blog on his website wherein he praises Bush and castigates Bush's opponent, then I make the association as well--and spend accordingly.

So the answer to your question is a qualified "no." If the person who manufactures my messenger bag chooses to harbor ill thoughts about the Unicorn of Pinkness, that's his problem and it's really none of my concern. But if he deliberately links his bag business, publicly, with nasty anti-Unicorn sentiment, then my attitude towards him changes. Does that make sense?