i have a dream to build the perfect dual-purpose convertible bike..

maybe start with a slightly old school track frame with angles not too steep...
it would have upside down riser bars or mustache bars in a major taylor type adjustable stem..
when you are feeling agressive stretch the stem out a little and get the bars low,
when you are cruising, flip the clamp over and back it up a little and you have instant upright position with lots of rise, no need to remove the bars or even the clamp....

then if you ReallY want to cruise, throw in a different rear wheel built up with a 2speed bendix kickback hub..
no cables, no brake levers... still lots of versatility

use grips without the ..uh.. grip lip? whats that thing called that your thumb rests against? anyway.. i ride half/griphalf/bar (halfsharkalligatorhalfman) often

I ride with risers, and I love them. I can maneuver like mad, hop curbs, wheelie- all the good stuff. I also recently rode from SF to Big Sur (170 miles of hell) using them. They're the ****.

hey, i'm from brooklyn. it's kind of an expression here, like 'aint, nobody don't like pasta with clam sauce. although i'm not italian, so criticism accepted.

moustaches! moustaches are back! moustaches are not just for Geraldo Rivera! ride the moustache, honey. they took me a little while to get used to. atchially, what made me love them was giving them a little uptilt in the, uh, azimuth, like. whereby the barends are facing in a downwards-ish direction. me likey now.

that said, some of the stanger nitto bars have tempted me...

Yeah but moustaches suck for over the bar skids. Whereas the risers even work well for that!

Those Oury's look good on yer bike- I just switched to risers, and I've been not unlooking for some grips. Comfy, true?

And for the record, I'm enjoying the risers for now. I feel like a kid, hopping curbs all day long. Yes, it's not as easy to skid. I think that's a good thing.

************** oury's are not mighty un-comfy indeed!

but the implications are very, very different. elegance, on the other hand is, i suppose, a different story from meaning or implication.

I've tried a lot of different types of bars. road drops, DIY bullhorns, nitto bullhorns, north road bars flipped upside down, and now risers. I can definately say that risers are the most comfortable and most fun bars I've had yet. Who gives a **** about skidding when it is so much easier to skip with riser bars? By the way they are still great for climbing. Just make sure you chop them to shoulder width not any skinnier.

anyway, here is a pic of my bike with my risers:

https://jonesbicycles.com/merchant/40...bike%20sml.jpg

ive ridden with all 3 set ups and i have to say that riser bars are far more responsive and comfortable for city riding, drops for the track and riser's for the street.

oh, i forgot to mention, i rode 500 miles across japan with my riser bars to for me not having many hand positions wasnt a problem....give it a go....you can get cheap bars for like 15 bucks

Does nobody else notice that the OP used the old Sara Lee jingle here, thus seeing the humor in it? "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee."

i noticed they were similar, but didn't think it was intentional.

H. L. Mencken had this to say about the double negative in 1921

Syntactically, perhaps the chief characteristic of vulgar American is its sturdy fidelity to the double negative. So freely is it used, indeed, that the simple negative appears to be almost abandoned. Such phrases as “I see nobody,” “I could hardly walk,” “I know nothing about it” are heard so seldom among the masses of the people that they appear to be affectations when encountered; the well-nigh universal forms are “I don’t see nobody,” “I couldn’t hardly walk,” and “I don’t know nothing about it.” Charters lists some very typical examples, among them, “he ain’t never coming back no more,” “you don’t care for nobody but yourself,” “couldn’t be no more happier” and “I can’t see nothing.” In Lardner there are innumerable examples: “they was not no team,” “I have not never thought of that,” “I can’t write no more,” “no chance to get no money from nowhere,” “we can’t have nothing to do,” and so on. Some of his specimens show a considerable complexity, for example, “Matthewson was not only going as far as the coast,” meaning, as the context shows, that he was going as far as the coast and no further. Only gets into many other examples, e. g., “he hadn’t only the one pass,” “I can’t stay only a minute,” and “I don’t work nights no more, only except Sunday nights.” This last I got from a car conductor. Many other curious specimens are in my collectanea, among them: “one swaller don’t make no summer,” “I never seen nothing I would of rather saw,” and “once a child gets burnt once it won’t never stick its hand in no fire no more,” and so on. The last embodies a triple negative. In “You don’t know nobody what don’t want nobody to do nothing for ’em, do you?” there is a quadruplet. And in “the more faster you go, the sooner you don’t get there,” there is a muddling that almost defies analysis. 1
Like most other examples of “bad grammar” encountered in American the compound negative is of great antiquity and was once quite respectable. The student of Anglo-Saxon encounters it constantly. In that language the negative of the verb was formed by prefixing a particle, ne. Thus, singan (=to sing) became ne singan (=not to sing). In case the verb began with a vowel the ne dropped its e and was combined with the verb, as in noefre (never), from ne-oefre (=not ever). In case the verb began with an h or a w followed by a vowel, the h or w of the verb and the e of ne were both dropped, as in noefth (=has not), from ne-hoefth (=not has), and nolde (=would not), from ne-wolde. Finally, in case the vowel following a w was an i, it changed to y, as in nyste (=knew not), from ne-wiste. But inasmuch as Anglo-Saxon was a fully inflected language the inflections for the negative did not stop with the verbs; the indefinite article, the indefinite pronoun and even some of the nouns were also inflected, and survivors of those forms appear to this day in such words as none and nothing. Moreover, when an actual inflection was impossible it was the practise to insert this ne before a word, in the sense of our no or not. Still more, it came to be the practise to reinforce ne, before a vowel, with na (=not) or naht (=nothing), which later degenerated to nat and not. As a result, there were fearful and wonderful combinations of negatives, some of them fully matching the best efforts of Lardner’s baseball players. Sweet gives several curious examples. 97 “Nan ne dorste nan thing ascian,” translated literally, becomes “no one dares not ask nothing.” “Thaet hus na ne feoll” becomes “the house did not fall not.” As for the Middle English “he never nadde nothing,” it has too modern and familiar a ring to need translating at all. Chaucer, at the beginning of the period of transition to Modern English, used the double negative with the utmost freedom. In “The Knight’s Tale” is this:

He nevere yet no vileynye ne sayde
In al his lyf unto no maner wight.

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By the time of Shakespeare this license was already much restricted, but a good many double negatives are nevertheless to be found in his plays, and he was particularly shaky in the use of nor. In “Richard III” one finds “I never was nor never will be”; in “Measure for Measure,” “harp not on that nor do not banish treason,” and in “Romeo and Juliet,” “thou expectedst not, nor I looked not for.” This misuse of nor is still very frequent. In other directions, too, the older forms show a tendency to survive all the assaults of grammarians. No, it doesn’t,” heard every day and by no means from the ignorant only, is a sort of double negative. The insertion of but before that, as in “I doubt but that” and “there is no question but that,” makes a double negative that is probably full-blown. Nevertheless, as we have seen, it is heard on the floor of Congress every day, and the Fowlers show that it is also common in England. 98 Even worse forms get into the Congressional Record. Not long ago, for example, I encountered “without hardly an exception” in a public paper of the utmost importance. 99 There are, indeed, situations in which the double negative leaps to the lips or from the pen almost irresistibly; even such careful writers as Huxley, Robert Louis Stevenson and Leslie Stephen have occasionally dallied with it. 100 It is perfectly allowable in the Romance languages, and, as we have seen, is almost the rule in the American vulgate. Now and then some anarchistic student of the language boldly defends and even advocates it. “The double negative,” said a writer in the London Review a long time ago, 101 “has been abandoned to the great injury of strength of expression.” Surely “I won’t take nothing” is stronger than either “I will take nothing” or “I won’t take anything.”

Take that, Ryan Ingersall.

It's "Nobody does it like Sara Lee."

+1! anyway, he's getting at the improper colloquial use of the double negative there, it seems. i'll agree about the grammatical incorrectness of that, though i don't have much problem with colloquialisms. however, i do defend the double negative for certain connotations. it sort of softens and understates things, sometimes as a matter of courtesy, or for humor, or for a sort of self-efacing general demeanor. "i'll take something" at a buffet line is much more assertive and even aggressive than a wry utterance of "oh, i won't take nothing".

uh.. well i'm a native ny'er and i get the double negative. tho i would've used "don't nobody ain't like no risers"

PWNED

+1!!!

no it wasn't. i knew it was a double negative when i posted, but i was pretty sure it was a safe one and as i said before i liked the new york ring to it. as for now i think i will stick to horns, but as for drops on the street I will not use them, not today, not ever.

My shoulders are 60 cmts ... should I cut me a bar that wide?

you will not usethem on the street, you will not use them on your feet.
i do not like drop bars on my stem, i do not like them, sam-i-....ummmm...

crap, dr. seuss made it look so easy.

actually, it used to be "Nobody does it like Sara Lee"
then a few years ago (9 or 10) they switched it to "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee"... but maybe for only a few commercials
it was kinda tough to pick up, because they sound so much alike when sung

I know your singing it right now, go ahead, sing it out loud, it'll put a smile on somebody's face

Risers are fun.