One Less Car is not enough
#51
Originally Posted by Half-Impressive
How do you think your bike stuff gets to the shop... a winged horse?
#52
Mices Can Bit You
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Originally Posted by lyeinyoureye
Baby angels. And all cyclists food is grown w/o fossil fuels by the saint of somethingeranother. They are truly the righteous and just among us.
what's that? you paid for your bike parts?
Well keep trying. the angels are merciful and will reward you for your hatred of cars.
#53
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Originally Posted by Half-Impressive
I think the best part is that these baby angels have no consumerist desires when they sell us stuff. In fact, if you were actually pure of heart, you would know that the baby angels don't actually sell things to you... they are gifts given to you when you reach different non-consumerist hate levels.
what's that? you paid for your bike parts?
Well keep trying. the angels are merciful and will reward you for your hatred of cars.
what's that? you paid for your bike parts?
Well keep trying. the angels are merciful and will reward you for your hatred of cars.
Does Montana have many cities with more than 100000? Seems like a pretty high number to stake a moral agend on. But then again, I do live inside the problem. And I own motor vehicle transportation so I am the problem.
#54
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I see that there are 515,000 people in wyoming and 97,818 square miles. So 5.25 people a square mile. Most of those people live in a few small citys. The land surounding the state is not that much more populated. It takes quite a bit of land just to make one person a living. That is the kind of isolation that drives a person to drink or commit suicide. Getting killed by a drunk driver on one of those skinny highways is much more common there. I think it is hard for a person to understand the culture without spending some time there. People drive hundreds of miles on the weekend just so their kids can participate in sports. You would be one inbred dude if your parents depended on public transportation.
In comparison a person does not need a car where i live, public transportation is limited and distances can be ten miles on not so bike frendly streets.
In comparison a person does not need a car where i live, public transportation is limited and distances can be ten miles on not so bike frendly streets.
#55
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Originally Posted by Alex
I see that there are 515,000 people in wyoming and 97,818 square miles. So 5.25 people a square mile. Most of those people live in a few small citys. The land surounding the state is not that much more populated. It takes quite a bit of land just to make one person a living. That is the kind of isolation that drives a person to drink or commit suicide. Getting killed by a drunk driver on one of those skinny highways is much more common there. I think it is hard for a person to understand the culture without spending some time there. People drive hundreds of miles on the weekend just so their kids can participate in sports. You would be one inbred dude if your parents depended on public transportation.
In comparison a person does not need a car where i live, public transportation is limited and distances can be ten miles on not so bike frendly streets.
In comparison a person does not need a car where i live, public transportation is limited and distances can be ten miles on not so bike frendly streets.
Back to he winged horsey stories though. That stuff was craking me up.
#56
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here's a question. how many people here take no actions what so ever that is harmful to the planet in some way? i myself use product made by 10 year old children and send trash to the landfill weekly. i'm trying though: my truck has been runing on the same tank of gas for over three months now.
#58
Anyway, most of the USA has been designed to be dependant on cars. There has been public transportation companies in the past, that have been bought out by the car industry giants, and then shut down, to increase the sale of cars.
There is no reason for the USA to be so dependant on cars - take a look at Europe, even the sparsely populated areas of it, like northern Finland or Sweden. I am not completely against cars, I am against stupid misinformed parroting. Yes, the USA has been ****ed and now in most parts of that otherwise great country, living without a car is difficult to impossible. It shouldn't be like that - that's all I tried to say.
There is no reason for the USA to be so dependant on cars - take a look at Europe, even the sparsely populated areas of it, like northern Finland or Sweden. I am not completely against cars, I am against stupid misinformed parroting. Yes, the USA has been ****ed and now in most parts of that otherwise great country, living without a car is difficult to impossible. It shouldn't be like that - that's all I tried to say.
#59
Originally Posted by soyboy
furthermore owning a car is wrong on so many levels, from feeding the consumer driven system that's only going to later be used to screw you over to the
I'd have to agree. Furthermore, I think people who don't have technical degrees are a pox on society. It's obvious that they really don't contribute much.
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This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.
#60
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Originally Posted by Half-Impressive
How do you think your bike stuff gets to the shop... a winged horse?
Driving on your own in a massive car 30 miles a day 300+ days a year...
...slight difference me thinks.
Of course we can not stop emitting carbon, we breath out carbon dioxide, even if we die our rotting corpses would emit some nasties, or you would be cremated. Cycling makes you breath harder so you give off less carbon sitting on the sofa.
Yes ok, I still have hot showers and cook my food before eating it, etc, but I changed my electricity supplier to a wind-farm-only company (do those even exist in the US?). I live in a modern flat that is highly insulated with modern efficient appliances. I use a laptop computer rather than a desktop and I don't have a tv, watching tv on my laptop. I don't use airplanes, but then that makes holidays much more interesting (went to hotel 200m down the road with my wife and all our friends thought we were so original and exciting).
Just because you can not elimitate your carbon emisions completly is no excuse for not at least trying to make a difference. That is like driving towards a brick wall at 50mph, then thinking that since you don't have time to stop completely, it is not worth using the brake at all... hmm maybe that is getting too close to the brakes/no brakes debate.
#61
Mmm cats

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Originally Posted by soyboy
i think its really funny the amount of peoplei've never seen post in this forum before now. furthermore owning a car is wrong on so many levels, from feeding the consumer driven system that's only going to later be used to screw you over to the effects on the environment both in production of the vehicle as well as the later usage. then there's the issue of your mental well being, if you're driving miles and miles in a car everyday you cerrtainly can't expect that to effect your mental state positively. i'm not going to go any further, i'm just going to say that cars are evil, there's no two ways about that. lots of people can justify owning and using a car, that doesn't make them any less horrible, it just means that you've accepted that for your own sake its worth the trade.
You are the exact reason why people throw things at bicyclists. You are the reason why people yell and call bicyclists "******s". Etc. Etc.
I hope you're happy rolling around in your tiny apartment where you all run around in second-hand clothing that your girlfriend made for you out of hemp eating tofu turkey and making protest signs for the next critical mass where you ride 2 miles per hour on the interstate.
I don't think anyone should need more than 100 square feet to live in. Any more is wasteful. You should only have a maximum of two bowel movements per day also. You should also only have a maximum amount of 7 pairs of underwear.
#62
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Originally Posted by mintyai
One truck delivering 30 bikes to the LBS (i.e. 1 bike = 1/30 truck) and only requiring that once every 4 years or something...
Driving on your own in a massive car 30 miles a day 300+ days a year...
...slight difference me thinks.
Of course we can not stop emitting carbon, we breath out carbon dioxide, even if we die our rotting corpses would emit some nasties, or you would be cremated. Cycling makes you breath harder so you give off less carbon sitting on the sofa.
Yes ok, I still have hot showers and cook my food before eating it, etc, but I changed my electricity supplier to a wind-farm-only company (do those even exist in the US?). I live in a modern flat that is highly insulated with modern efficient appliances. I use a laptop computer rather than a desktop and I don't have a tv, watching tv on my laptop. I don't use airplanes, but then that makes holidays much more interesting (went to hotel 200m down the road with my wife and all our friends thought we were so original and exciting).
Just because you can not elimitate your carbon emisions completly is no excuse for not at least trying to make a difference. That is like driving towards a brick wall at 50mph, then thinking that since you don't have time to stop completely, it is not worth using the brake at all... hmm maybe that is getting too close to the brakes/no brakes debate.
Driving on your own in a massive car 30 miles a day 300+ days a year...
...slight difference me thinks.
Of course we can not stop emitting carbon, we breath out carbon dioxide, even if we die our rotting corpses would emit some nasties, or you would be cremated. Cycling makes you breath harder so you give off less carbon sitting on the sofa.
Yes ok, I still have hot showers and cook my food before eating it, etc, but I changed my electricity supplier to a wind-farm-only company (do those even exist in the US?). I live in a modern flat that is highly insulated with modern efficient appliances. I use a laptop computer rather than a desktop and I don't have a tv, watching tv on my laptop. I don't use airplanes, but then that makes holidays much more interesting (went to hotel 200m down the road with my wife and all our friends thought we were so original and exciting).
Just because you can not elimitate your carbon emisions completly is no excuse for not at least trying to make a difference. That is like driving towards a brick wall at 50mph, then thinking that since you don't have time to stop completely, it is not worth using the brake at all... hmm maybe that is getting too close to the brakes/no brakes debate.
Needless driving is a bummer and should be discouraged. But calling cars evil and wishing their total destruction is just stupid, hypocritical and shows an almost humorous lack of thoughtfulness about how the world works.
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Originally Posted by bonechilling
The majority of air pollution comes from mobile sources, which
includes automobiles. Whether is comes from China, the third
world, or your parents' SUV is totally irrelevant.
includes automobiles. Whether is comes from China, the third
world, or your parents' SUV is totally irrelevant.
"FAO: Livestock a bigger contributor to global warming than transport"
https://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html
#67
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Originally Posted by octopus magic
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. For the love of all that is holy I hope that you're joking.
You are the exact reason why people throw things at bicyclists. You are the reason why people yell and call bicyclists "******s". Etc. Etc.
I hope you're happy rolling around in your tiny apartment where you all run around in second-hand clothing that your girlfriend made for you out of hemp eating tofu turkey and making protest signs for the next critical mass where you ride 2 miles per hour on the interstate.
I don't think anyone should need more than 100 square feet to live in. Any more is wasteful. You should only have a maximum of two bowel movements per day also. You should also only have a maximum amount of 7 pairs of underwear.
You are the exact reason why people throw things at bicyclists. You are the reason why people yell and call bicyclists "******s". Etc. Etc.
I hope you're happy rolling around in your tiny apartment where you all run around in second-hand clothing that your girlfriend made for you out of hemp eating tofu turkey and making protest signs for the next critical mass where you ride 2 miles per hour on the interstate.
I don't think anyone should need more than 100 square feet to live in. Any more is wasteful. You should only have a maximum of two bowel movements per day also. You should also only have a maximum amount of 7 pairs of underwear.
#68
Instigator at best
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Y'all are starting to sound like the Living Car-Free forum. For heavens sake.
Forget global warming and car-culture, all the best reasons to bike have nothing to do with cars or climate.
Forget global warming and car-culture, all the best reasons to bike have nothing to do with cars or climate.
#69
Mmm cats

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Originally Posted by BostonFixed
Nope.
"FAO: Livestock a bigger contributor to global warming than transport"
https://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html
"FAO: Livestock a bigger contributor to global warming than transport"
https://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html
#71
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I just watched jesus camp, and they bring up a good point, the earths temperature has only raised 0.6 degrees (did not say whether it was ferenheit, celcius, or kelvin, but god is american so I assume ferenheit), and that doesn't seem very warm to me, so global warming isn't real, suck on that!
#75
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Originally Posted by Igneous Faction
ITT: A lot people who live in major-metropolitan areas fail to understand why anyone who lives in ****ing Montana would need a car.






