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Old 10-04-07 | 11:03 PM
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My toilet is CSA approved if that helps

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Old 10-04-07 | 11:06 PM
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Dude I stripped the lockring on my toilet and it blew to pieces. And the seat is flexy like a...flexy thing.

I only buy CSA approved now.
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Old 10-05-07 | 04:21 AM
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Yes suntour and sugino made lockrings, as did campagnolo. Their NJS lines are all now defunct.

The stuff I listed above is gear that you can buy new, now from the companies.

Suzue Pro Max NJS hubs are also gone, because Suzue closed shop.
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Old 10-05-07 | 04:23 AM
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Ps My toilet is JIS approved. CSA is for hipster toilet ******s. JIS is for people who actually use toilets for what they were made for first and foremost.Too many guys in the US (especially) are going around thinking they are the ****, wearing CSA t shirts and whatever else. I figure the Japanese have been using toilets for longer, and in weirder positions, so they should know a thing or two by now......just my 2 cents.
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Old 10-05-07 | 05:37 AM
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Dutret - What were the parts you weren't happy with? Just wondering because I have only ever had a problem with MKS aluminium clips, after accidentally standing on them a bunch of times, I snapped one while skidding!
Other than that everything has been good to me, and these parts have a very high reputation in Japan, not with 'hipsters' but serious bike enthusiasts/pros/mechanics etc...
Superbe Pro rings are absolute ****. Poorly cut and made with a super soft alloy that will deform the first time you stand up and put pressure on them.

There have been threads about the hubs being crappy too but hub failure could always be a freak accident unlike rapid wear.

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What I don't get is why NJS gets all the hype even though track racing used to be hugely popular in the US. Why aren't the hipsters trying to emulate their USA track cycling idols and building bikes just like theirs?
1. japan is much cooler then early 20th century america.
2. finding pre-wwII track bikes and parts is a lot harder than finding NJS ones.
3. Hipsters don't really have track racers as idols except in a very abstract way. I doubt most could tell you the name of a single current japanese keirin racer(to be fair neither could I).
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Old 10-05-07 | 05:52 AM
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Nacho Jalapeno Smoothie?

I can't think of anything funny this morning. Too hung over.
I can't believe I'm contributing to your "joke" but you should have kept it on subject by using Nacho Jalapeno Salsa
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Old 10-05-07 | 06:02 AM
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i think parkerlewis was talking about currently made NJS parts.

if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
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Old 10-05-07 | 06:09 AM
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NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
uhhhhh did you read the OP?
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Old 10-05-07 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dutret
1. japan is much cooler then early 20th century america.
2. finding pre-wwII track bikes and parts is a lot harder than finding NJS ones.
3. Hipsters don't really have track racers as idols except in a very abstract way. I doubt most could tell you the name of a single current japanese keirin racer(to be fair neither could I).
4. Hipsters secretly like anime
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Old 10-05-07 | 06:56 AM
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4. Hipsters secretly like anime
I think that just goes back to orientalism and the japan is cool factor.

Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.

Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
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Old 10-05-07 | 06:58 AM
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Another thing that may be obvious to some, but not to the uninitiated, is that NJS has essentially frozen the technology of keirin bikes. An fully NJS bike is technologically equivalent to a track bike from several decades ago and will require parts that, taken out of the keirin racing context, are obsolete, such as unsealed bearings, 36 spoke wheels, 1" threaded headsets, steel handlebars, negative rise quill stems, lugged steel frames, 1/8" chains, toe-clips and straps, etc. People may prefer such things for aesthetic reasons, but they are functionally surpassed by newer technologies that are used outside of Japanese keirin.

I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.

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Old 10-05-07 | 07:16 AM
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uhhhhh did you read the OP?
you jerk, probably 95% of the posts in this thread don't address the original post.
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Originally Posted by fixedup
Im looking at high quality track components and wondering what all is NJS approved ( other than dura ace ). Are my miche cranks I already have NJS? I'm just wondering what qualifies these products to be NJS approved. And what are some relatively priced NJS frames as my next bike will be a full NJS machine.
seems like the avg on ebay for Keirin frames are about $500-700 depending on the name (name is everything it seems). Sometimes you can get a really good price. I don't see what the rave is, you get a great looking frame with pretty sparkles but I don't know if it is better than dura-ace or record. I have no experience with one but if you like it go for it. seems to me like folks in the US are getting a good profit since they can get it cheaper there since its much more available.

piwonka - lol, i understand, he has a habit of presenting himself that way
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Old 10-05-07 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Gyeswho

piwonka - lol, i understand, he has a habit of presenting himself that way
dutret's posts always remind me of:

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Originally Posted by piwonka
i think parkerlewis was talking about currently made NJS parts.

if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...


yeah, true dat. nice old Campy stuff is waaay more expensive here. although Campy+NJS= yahooauction success
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Old 10-05-07 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dutret
I think that just goes back to orientalism and the japan is cool factor.

Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.

Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
Naw, it'll be like initial d, but with track bikes, riding through the city doin sweet skids.

Main character can ride like a 1970's Colnago or something with ancient wheels that his dad secretly updates because he used to be a pro keirin racer or something.

Mean character with Carbon Fiber Anchor bike: "RAAAR YOU'LL NEVER DO BAR SPINS AS COOL AS ME"

Main Character: "NO, I MUST DO THE BACKWARDS CIRCLE BAR SPINS THE BEST I CAN!!"

*cue eurobeat soundtrack*
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Old 10-05-07 | 07:43 AM
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you jerk, probably 95% of the posts in this thread don't address the original post.
the joke was that

Originally Posted by piwonka
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
is demonstrably false, the OP is an example of this. Whether people should care is a different story though I think the restrictions could be expanded to "actually plan to race in an njs regulated league."
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Old 10-05-07 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by octopus magic
Naw, it'll be like initial d, but with track bikes, riding through the city doin sweet skids.

Main character can ride like a 1970's Colnago or something with ancient wheels that his dad secretly updates because he used to be a pro keirin racer or something.

Mean character with Carbon Fiber Anchor bike: "RAAAR YOU'LL NEVER DO BAR SPINS AS COOL AS ME"

Main Character: "NO, I MUST DO THE BACKWARDS CIRCLE BAR SPINS THE BEST I CAN!!"

*cue eurobeat soundtrack*
LMAO
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Old 10-05-07 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dutret
the joke was that
lol, yeah. i actually could say that probably 95% of the posts in ANY thread in this subforum don't address the original post....and it would be true. but that's what makes it so interesting in here.
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Old 10-05-07 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by piwonka
dutret's posts always remind me of:

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even though he is who he is, you gota love Dutret. Funny guy he is (we are talking like he can't read what we are typing lol)
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Old 10-05-07 | 09:45 AM
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i like dutret. he's always right and his posts are fun to read.
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Old 10-05-07 | 11:31 AM
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Another thing that may be obvious to some, but not to the uninitiated, is that NJS has essentially frozen the technology of keirin bikes. An fully NJS bike is technologically equivalent to a track bike from several decades ago and will require parts that, taken out of the keirin racing context, are obsolete, such as unsealed bearings, 36 spoke wheels, 1" threaded headsets, steel handlebars, negative rise quill stems, lugged steel frames, 1/8" chains, toe-clips and straps, etc. People may prefer such things for aesthetic reasons, but they are functionally surpassed by newer technologies that are used outside of Japanese keirin.

I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.
definitely agree... who wants to ride a kashimax saddle with low profile tubulars on the street?
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Old 10-05-07 | 11:35 AM
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Which is exactly why I thought he was trolling, and started all of this hoopla.

Edit - The post I was replying to must have been deleted! Weird.
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Old 10-10-07 | 06:33 PM
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im not reading 3 pages of this but just in case anyone didnt say it
njs stuff says njs
not all njs stuff is worth the price
a lot is.
buying njs stuff to have 'an njs bike' to impress your friends is lame.
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Old 10-10-07 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by helloamerican
im not reading 3 pages of this but just in case anyone didnt say it
njs stuff says njs
not all njs stuff is worth the price
a lot is.
buying njs stuff to have 'an njs bike' to impress your friends is lame.
You just bumped a 5 day old thread to tell us that you didn't read the entire thread? What an awesome way to up your post count.
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