NJS approved equipment
#52
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Dude I stripped the lockring on my toilet and it blew to pieces. And the seat is flexy like a...flexy thing.
I only buy CSA approved now.
I only buy CSA approved now.
#53
Yes suntour and sugino made lockrings, as did campagnolo. Their NJS lines are all now defunct.
The stuff I listed above is gear that you can buy new, now from the companies.
Suzue Pro Max NJS hubs are also gone, because Suzue closed shop.
The stuff I listed above is gear that you can buy new, now from the companies.
Suzue Pro Max NJS hubs are also gone, because Suzue closed shop.
#54
Ps My toilet is JIS approved. CSA is for hipster toilet ******s. JIS is for people who actually use toilets for what they were made for first and foremost.Too many guys in the US (especially) are going around thinking they are the ****, wearing CSA t shirts and whatever else. I figure the Japanese have been using toilets for longer, and in weirder positions, so they should know a thing or two by now......just my 2 cents.
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Dutret - What were the parts you weren't happy with? Just wondering because I have only ever had a problem with MKS aluminium clips, after accidentally standing on them a bunch of times, I snapped one while skidding!
Other than that everything has been good to me, and these parts have a very high reputation in Japan, not with 'hipsters' but serious bike enthusiasts/pros/mechanics etc...
Other than that everything has been good to me, and these parts have a very high reputation in Japan, not with 'hipsters' but serious bike enthusiasts/pros/mechanics etc...
There have been threads about the hubs being crappy too but hub failure could always be a freak accident unlike rapid wear.
Originally Posted by kmart
What I don't get is why NJS gets all the hype even though track racing used to be hugely popular in the US. Why aren't the hipsters trying to emulate their USA track cycling idols and building bikes just like theirs?
2. finding pre-wwII track bikes and parts is a lot harder than finding NJS ones.
3. Hipsters don't really have track racers as idols except in a very abstract way. I doubt most could tell you the name of a single current japanese keirin racer(to be fair neither could I).
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i think parkerlewis was talking about currently made NJS parts.
if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?

NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
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1. japan is much cooler then early 20th century america.
2. finding pre-wwII track bikes and parts is a lot harder than finding NJS ones.
3. Hipsters don't really have track racers as idols except in a very abstract way. I doubt most could tell you the name of a single current japanese keirin racer(to be fair neither could I).
2. finding pre-wwII track bikes and parts is a lot harder than finding NJS ones.
3. Hipsters don't really have track racers as idols except in a very abstract way. I doubt most could tell you the name of a single current japanese keirin racer(to be fair neither could I).
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I think that just goes back to orientalism and the japan is cool factor.
Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.
Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.
Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
#61
Another thing that may be obvious to some, but not to the uninitiated, is that NJS has essentially frozen the technology of keirin bikes. An fully NJS bike is technologically equivalent to a track bike from several decades ago and will require parts that, taken out of the keirin racing context, are obsolete, such as unsealed bearings, 36 spoke wheels, 1" threaded headsets, steel handlebars, negative rise quill stems, lugged steel frames, 1/8" chains, toe-clips and straps, etc. People may prefer such things for aesthetic reasons, but they are functionally surpassed by newer technologies that are used outside of Japanese keirin.
I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.
I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.
Last edited by mihlbach; 10-05-07 at 07:19 AM.
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Im looking at high quality track components and wondering what all is NJS approved ( other than dura ace ). Are my miche cranks I already have NJS? I'm just wondering what qualifies these products to be NJS approved. And what are some relatively priced NJS frames as my next bike will be a full NJS machine.
piwonka - lol, i understand, he has a habit of presenting himself that way
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i think parkerlewis was talking about currently made NJS parts.
if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
if NJS is so awesome then why do i see all them crazy japanese guys bikes with old school campy parts on them?

NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
yeah, true dat. nice old Campy stuff is waaay more expensive here. although Campy+NJS= yahooauction success
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I think that just goes back to orientalism and the japan is cool factor.
Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.
Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
Remember that vuelta a andalucia anime thread. Although it was more enjoyable than most movies about road racing.
Maybe now that track bikes are getting hip in japan there will be some unbelievably bad one about keirin racing.
Main character can ride like a 1970's Colnago or something with ancient wheels that his dad secretly updates because he used to be a pro keirin racer or something.
Mean character with Carbon Fiber Anchor bike: "RAAAR YOU'LL NEVER DO BAR SPINS AS COOL AS ME"
Main Character: "NO, I MUST DO THE BACKWARDS CIRCLE BAR SPINS THE BEST I CAN!!"
*cue eurobeat soundtrack*
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Originally Posted by piwonka
NJS is just a stamp and it matters none to anyone unless you were born in japan and actually race for a living...
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Naw, it'll be like initial d, but with track bikes, riding through the city doin sweet skids.
Main character can ride like a 1970's Colnago or something with ancient wheels that his dad secretly updates because he used to be a pro keirin racer or something.
Mean character with Carbon Fiber Anchor bike: "RAAAR YOU'LL NEVER DO BAR SPINS AS COOL AS ME"
Main Character: "NO, I MUST DO THE BACKWARDS CIRCLE BAR SPINS THE BEST I CAN!!"
*cue eurobeat soundtrack*
Main character can ride like a 1970's Colnago or something with ancient wheels that his dad secretly updates because he used to be a pro keirin racer or something.
Mean character with Carbon Fiber Anchor bike: "RAAAR YOU'LL NEVER DO BAR SPINS AS COOL AS ME"
Main Character: "NO, I MUST DO THE BACKWARDS CIRCLE BAR SPINS THE BEST I CAN!!"
*cue eurobeat soundtrack*
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#72
Another thing that may be obvious to some, but not to the uninitiated, is that NJS has essentially frozen the technology of keirin bikes. An fully NJS bike is technologically equivalent to a track bike from several decades ago and will require parts that, taken out of the keirin racing context, are obsolete, such as unsealed bearings, 36 spoke wheels, 1" threaded headsets, steel handlebars, negative rise quill stems, lugged steel frames, 1/8" chains, toe-clips and straps, etc. People may prefer such things for aesthetic reasons, but they are functionally surpassed by newer technologies that are used outside of Japanese keirin.
I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.
I'm my opinion, someone interested in the NJS aesthetic would be better off with a NJS non-NJS hybrid...get a NJS frame, and a few other NJS parts, like cranks. stem, and handlebars. Thats enough to give the bike a trendy NJS "flavor". But for wheels, pedals, saddle, tires, etc. go with something more modern and more practical. To me, NJS frames with a creative mix of NJS and non-NJS parts are the best looking. Going fully NJS is impractical, and frankly, not very creative.
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You just bumped a 5 day old thread to tell us that you didn't read the entire thread? What an awesome way to up your post count.




