http://a201.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...835face590.jpg
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it's awesome how the bullfrog looks like a natural extension of the frame

That bike makes me want to build up a Leader

http://velospace.org/files/skandsen5.jpg

+1

Kalavinka for Montauk Century...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/...a13565a7_b.jpg

Carradice Bagman QR support with Carradice Barley bag, Nitto RB018 with Paul E-Lever. Worked quite well.

why do people still think these wheels are a good idea

Fashion over function most likely. It gets the job done and has the look the owner is going for.

fashion always before function.
if you dont look good doing it, whats the point.

Why are people always talking s**t about these frames? In my experience, if you do a little research on them they're actually fairly well built. Not to mention it makes a pretty ride. Is there something about them that I'm missing?

safety third, after looks and style.

I don't think they are very well-built at all, what research have you done?

http://leaderbikeusa.com/Auction%20T...k/large/BB.jpg

http://leaderbikeusa.com/Auction%20T...EAT%20TUBE.jpg

http://leaderbikeusa.com/Auction%20T...large/DROP.jpg

I assume you're talking about the welds?
Maybe I just look at that as a deep, solid weld that will hold. And it's not smoothed or cleaned up probably to reduce labor and time costs to supply the public with their frames for a lower price than the competition.

Those welds may not be pretty, but they look well done to me. I've seen plenty of piss poor welding in my time and plenty of good welding. I know what holds up under high stress and what doesn't. Have you ever had a Leader frame break on you?

those welds just arent cleaned up.. theyre typical welds.

this on the other hand.... is a bad weld.
http://www.weldreality.com/bad-weld-01a08.gif

Can we stop quoting the ****ing wallpaper, please?

:lol:

My thoughts exactly. Thanx for backing me up Guys. I really like the frames but all the people and bike shops I've asked about them had nothing but bad things to say. I ended up buying a Pake frame instead and while I'm not regretting it, I do wish I had listened to myself rather than someone else. My next project is definitely gonna be a Leader frame.

Sorry the photos turned up so big, I should have hosted them myself.

I guess I have a different sense of what I want in a frame and ugly welds is not
something I would want to pay for, regardless of how low the price is.

As well, that mega-thick downtube looks like it would be fine at the track but on the
street I would imagine that it is uncomfortable as hell.

lugged frames all the way!!!

my kilo doesn't have the nicest welds in the world, but i can count the times i've noticed the aesthetics of them while riding on zero hands.

if you care how pretty your welds are you should just get a spinergy wheel and stop hatin'.

Not hatin' is why this forum is so boring lately. Here is mine, bring on the hate.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...chEz/GT032.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...chEz/GT033.jpg

ur bike sucz

Sorry to disappoint, but I really like it.

I have that coffeemaker!

what's that skeez in the bucket next to the clean dishes ?