Same dude said that horizontal dropouts are "more dangerous" than track ends in another recent thread.

I didn't start this thread to bash anyone, but I was amazed when I found out people actually prefer conversions over frames with track ends. I'm not buying this whole business about "comfort on longer rides".

I think people do conversions because they are more concerned about the name brand of the frame.

"No one will bash a (insert well know brand) conversion!" You suck.

Get a track frame & stop making excuses as to why you prefer your conversion. OR, just throw some gears on your bike & use it for it's intended purpose.

No, no, and no.

or do what the **** you want to your bike since it's yours. Alot of people pick up bikes from garage sales and thrift stores and the like. Not to many track bikes at garage sales around here.

I got a better idea. Why don't you take your thumb out of your ass and go sit in the corner?

For real. Dude gets a track frame a few weeks ago and now feels compelled to make all these grand, misinformed bike pronouncements.

I routinely ride pretty much the length of Manhattan, bike path down & thru traffic going back up which is about 25 miles. So yeah, I think I can hang.

Face it, you like it because it is a Panasonic. If you could get the track version of the Panasonic, you would. Wouldn't you?

PRecisely my point. Thank you.

I began riding track frames about 12 years ago. Maybe why I'm biased.

wait wait. What is your bikes "intended" purpose?

using your logic, can we be expecting some race results with your name on them posted up soon? Your riding a track bike (kinda) so that means your using it for its intended purpose?

So are you bored and stirring the pot, or a jack-hole?

i think he's bored. I know I am, I should be working. It's hard to stay focused when working at home, Big Big World is on!

glad you can do more than coffee runs.

And no, I run the Panisonic because it was given to me. Freebie. The track Panic is nice but I have no desire to ride or own that bike. A nice Spot maybe but not the Panisonic (sorry DeathHare).

A couple of visual examples of what I'm talking about:

i'd rock the black or white one in a heart beat . . . . after i fix the saddle angle. oh yeah bar tape for the white one

tell you what...the girl is on vacation with the camera. In about a week I'll post my bike up and you and a few others can lay into it how ever you want.

I think your being a PITA but your opinion is your opinion. As for the bikes you posted, yeah some of them are kinda funky. Everyone has to start somewhere...

Try to keep that in mind, eh?

And about those time slips of yours? Come on man! You threw that out there, cough 'em up! Intended purpose and all...

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What are you talking about again? Besides, you know, flaming people who have road conversions. Like there aren't any FUBARed track bikes out there either.

And for somebody who has ridden track bikes for 12 years, you think you'd know the correct terminology and not believe things like "rear wheels can easily come out of horizontal dropouts"....

Seriously, "intended purpose?" That's awesome. Picking a handful of awful bikes to post is painfully easy whether it's conversions, "track" bikes, or whatever and contributes nothing. If it's really useful, we could dig up a few clowned-up track frames to gawk at.

I don't believe you didn't start this thread to bash conversions. When you label folks as "ignorant" and don't even know a track end from a dropout, you should probably tone down the flames.

You may have started riding track frames 12 years ago, but didn't I read in another thread that you haven't ridden fixed for 10 years? So does that mean your implied 12 years of experience actually amount to 2? Or perhaps you've been freewheeling your track frames in further compliance with their "intended purpose?" Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Well let's talk about intended purposes....A track frame is meant for riding on the the TRACK. A road bike is meant for riding on the ROAD.

Personally, I don't like conversions. This is my opinion.

I started this thread to find out if anyone else shared my opinion. The pic I posted above is the reason I don't like conversions. Again, my opinion. Hopefully, a person looking into getting into riding a fixed gear will come across this thread, read thru all of the BS & start with a good foundation, rather than getting any road frame & wasting time & money.

When I was looking to get back in, I read thru thread after thread of people co-signing conversions & pointing folks in that direction. Usually the time & money spent on a conversion could have landed them a sweet track bike.

Ignorance implies a person doesn't know better. This doesn't connotate anything negative about them or their bike. Yes, I called track ends horizontal dropouts out of ignorance.

Carry on.

Here's a visual example of what I'm talking about.



This bike was a joy to ride. It would hold a line without my even thinking about it, was still light and nimble, and sexy to boot (admittedly, except for the stem). Unfortunately it was a tad too big for me so I traded the frame for a slightly less awesome but still rad road frame that fit better. You can keep your Hour. I'll take one of these anytime.

OK, so you started out with an incorrect sized frame. Traded for another road frame since that was what you knew. Did you even try to find a track frame in your size? Or was it more about what the parts you already had would work on? Or money?

The "Track Bikes In Tokyo" thread is 100 pages right now. Page after page of track bikes. I didn't see 1 conversion. This is how it's done.

Why would he want a track frame, except to race at the velodrome?

How what is done? Some kind of true, pure, authentic, real fixed riding in the streetz? Again:

Actually, I pulled these parts off a kilo tt, which I bought and didn't care for. (The truvativ cranks and that stem look familiar, no? EDIT: oops. that stem wasn't stock on the kilo, I added it later).

My first fixed was a schwinn traveler conversion that rode great, but was a bit of a tank. I sold it and went to the kilo, which I ended up not liking. Then I got this frameset, put the parts from the kilo on it and put the kilo frameset on CL.

I've got no hate for anyone who prefers a track bike and can understand why people like them, but for the kind of riding I mostly do, a road frame is better. You don't seem to understand that not everyone rides their bikes the way that you do. Or, possibly, you don't understand the characteristics of different frame geometries. That's ok, but its more than a little ironic that in your first post you posit that people ride conversions out of ignorance.