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Old 02-03-11 | 11:39 AM
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Article on Tires

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...f-wheel-energy

What we know about tires may be wrong.
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Old 02-03-11 | 11:53 AM
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so a 29r with 25mm tires and 60tpi with latex tubes are the best way to go!
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Old 02-03-11 | 11:59 AM
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Hope this helps.
what a nice photo of the differences
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Old 02-03-11 | 12:04 PM
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Very interesting stuff, definitely good food for thought, if a little counter to conventional wisdom. I just wonder how all of the physics of these laboratory analyses would translate into actual human riding; what I would like to see are some experiments involving human riders randomly assigned into groups according to different tires (with controls for such confounding variables as type of bicycle, riding styles, etc.) and see which tire translates into actual faster speeds by actual riders while riding over actual roads.
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Old 02-03-11 | 12:06 PM
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Road racing bikes went with 27" wheels for a long time because they were "faster". Then wheelmakers got everyone switched to 700c because of the lower weight. Tri bikes went with 650c for less aerodynamic drag.

With pro racers routinely adding heavier saddles and/or powertaps to get the weight of their bikes up to the UCI limit, maybe a return to 27" wheels isn't a bad idea.
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Old 02-03-11 | 12:16 PM
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I won't believe any of that article, because there's no data or even good explanations to go along with their claims.

All other factors being equal, wider casings exhibit less casing 'bulge' as a percentage of their cross-section and also have a shorter section of deflected sidewall. How big a difference are we talking about here? For an equivalent make and model of tyre, Wheel Energy claims the 25mm-wide size will measure five percent lower rolling resistance on average than the more common 23mm-wide one.
Did they use the same pressure in each tire? If so the test is flawed because either the wider tire is over-inflated or the narrow tire is under-inflated. Even if this is true, what's the limit? Is a 2.0" wide tire "faster" than a 23mm tire? (Because the 2.0" tire will be much heavier and less aerodynamic.)

Tread pattern matters, even on the road: The importance of tread pattern is no surprise to the off-road world but common wisdom often says it's a non-factor on pavement where slick treads presumably would deliver the greatest surface contact with the ground and thus, the best grip. However, asphalt is far from a perfect – or even consistent – material. In those cases, certain tread designs can provide some measureable mechanical adhesion with the ground.
I think this is pretty irrelevant to real life. Sure, on a certain stretch of pavement a certain tread pattern might offer more grip. In all other circumstances it's just going to create noise and rolling resistance. Unless they want you to change your tires every time you enter a different type of pavement
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Old 02-03-11 | 03:35 PM
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What a useless article. Why bother talking about which tires "roll fast" if the meaning of what "rolls fast" is never explained? Could they at least have couched the results in terms of % efficiency in transferring the rider's power to forward acceleration, versus the frictional deceleration caused by tire meeting road and aerodynamic friction?

What a perfect example of sacrificing journalistic precision for page hits.
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so a 29r with 25mm tires and 60tpi with latex tubes are the best way to go!
<insert snarky comment about 700c vs. 29r wheel size>
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Old 02-03-11 | 09:14 PM
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Hasn't Rivendell been saying something along these lines for a while now? I doubt there will be much convincing anyway though because the pros are still using skinnies.
https://www.rivbike.com/article/components/tires
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Old 02-03-11 | 10:55 PM
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whats the gist of this? It seems very ccontroversial
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Old 02-03-11 | 11:48 PM
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I wouldn't go out to buy new tires because of this article, but it might be worth thinking about if you're due for replacement.

and i'm not sure what they're measuring by rolling resistance. but even if they say that 5% is the limit of perception, it also means that if you coast for 100ft you'll just go ~5ft farther with the lower resistance tire than the higher one.

a 1mph breeze probably had more effect.
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Old 02-04-11 | 06:10 PM
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I think the fact that I run 140psi in my 23mm rear tire, and most 25mm tires don't go above 100psi should counter any contact patch and bulge resistance mumbo jumbo.
If somebody started to make wider tires that ran higher psi I'd be a lot more interested.

I very well might switch tubes though if I can find a decent price. My wallet still speaks louder than rolling resistance unfortunately.
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Old 02-05-11 | 12:25 AM
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I once filled a tube till it whistled at a seem.

Just for lols.

I filled a 25cc tire up to 150 and the tire wall started cracking.

It was a cheapo duro tire anyways.

My Thickslicks are wider then 25 and i fill them to around 130
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