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SourSkiddles 08-13-14 04:55 PM

I went ahead and buy the used 722 from craiglist. The frame has slight scratches but nothing major. His fork is cheap steel fork that actually has some dings and it's mismatched. So now I'm going to change it up, my questions are:

Which carbon fork fits better the I803 or the S805? I dislike the thick blades and prefer a more traditional tapered looking blade common on steel forks. Also wanted to make sure that the new fork I get isn't oversized like some Leader forks that are made specifically for the oversized headtube 725/735.

And was thinking while I'm at it, I'll get a new headset. I'm thinking Cane Creek 40 Series, would that work and fit on the 722 combined with either the I803 or S805 carbon fork?

Scrodzilla 08-13-14 05:31 PM

The only carbon fork Leader makes that doesn't have an oversized crown is the S805.

You can use any standard cup 1 1/8" headset you'd like.

SourSkiddles 08-13-14 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 17034028)
The only carbon fork Leader makes that doesn't have an oversized crown is the S805.

You can use any standard cup 1 1/8" headset you'd like.

Ok thanks. So i should be looking for internal cup 1 1/8" because I see some thats EC external cup Cane Creek

Scrodzilla 08-13-14 06:20 PM

Standard cup = external cup.

Mumonkan 08-13-14 06:52 PM

@SourSkiddles the s805 isnt thick or chunky at all, its thin and elegant (and featherweight)

as seen on my bike:

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/722-ts-6687_10.jpg

SourSkiddles 08-13-14 06:55 PM

good thing for your response because I almost bought the wrong headset. The item description says:
40 SeriesBlack oxide, sealed cartridge bearings
Internally relieved AL-6061 T-6 cups and covers

and another website description says:
Cane Creek 40-Series EC(External Cups) assemblies feature press-in cups with bearings outside the frame.


Are these 2 the same headset? Because I can't find any Cane Creek 40 Series external cups except ebay.

Mumonkan, Dude I live on Staten Island too. What part are you in?

Mumonkan 08-14-14 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by SourSkiddles (Post 17034212)
Mumonkan, Dude I live on Staten Island too. What part are you in?

GTFO. im in Huguenot, you?

SourSkiddles 08-14-14 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Mumonkan (Post 17035065)
GTFO. im in Huguenot, you?

I'm by the mall now, I use to be in Rosebank. Not many fixed gear riders on the island. Any suggestions for places to ride on the island? I usually venture out to brooklyn and the city.

Mumonkan 08-14-14 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by SourSkiddles (Post 17035364)
I'm by the mall now, I use to be in Rosebank. Not many fixed gear riders on the island. Any suggestions for places to ride on the island? I usually venture out to brooklyn and the city.

ill pm you so we dont **** up the thread

pwebb 08-15-14 12:25 AM

thanks for the columbus carbon track fork, i like it a lot.

as for the questions. I have a kmc 710 sl chain. I used to like it a lot. The other day I took it apart, added a 1/2 link, and then re-connected it on a new frame. Chain, chainring, cog are all the exact same, just new frame. And holy hell, my chain is incredibly loud . I'm pretty sure my problem is that the half-link is just super stiff. I've worked it around, oiled it, etc. My local LBS recommended stretching it horizontally back and forth, which I've done. But it's still super loud. I can literally hear it at low speed every time it rounds the cog. It's driving me nuts.

Long story short, do you have any tips for helping to loosen the little guy up? I've tried playing with it and oiling it and bending it and riding it. It's been 2 days and 25ish miles and it doesn't seem to really be loosening up or quieting down. I had a PC-1 chain that I added a link to that was stiff at first but loosened up with riding. Do I just ride it and HTFU or do I get a new chain? This one little noise is almost ruining my new frame. almost.

thanks for any help you can provide

bmontgomery87 08-15-14 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by pwebb (Post 17038325)
do you have any tips for helping to loosen the little guy up? I've tried playing with it and oiling it and bending it and riding it.

I don't even know what to say. I'm nearly in tears.

Scrodzilla 08-15-14 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by pwebb (Post 17038325)
thanks for the columbus carbon track fork, i like it a lot.

as for the questions. I have a kmc 710 sl chain. I used to like it a lot. The other day I took it apart, added a 1/2 link, and then re-connected it on a new frame. Chain, chainring, cog are all the exact same, just new frame. And holy hell, my chain is incredibly loud . I'm pretty sure my problem is that the half-link is just super stiff. I've worked it around, oiled it, etc. My local LBS recommended stretching it horizontally back and forth, which I've done. But it's still super loud. I can literally hear it at low speed every time it rounds the cog. It's driving me nuts.

Long story short, do you have any tips for helping to loosen the little guy up? I've tried playing with it and oiling it and bending it and riding it. It's been 2 days and 25ish miles and it doesn't seem to really be loosening up or quieting down. I had a PC-1 chain that I added a link to that was stiff at first but loosened up with riding. Do I just ride it and HTFU or do I get a new chain? This one little noise is almost ruining my new frame. almost.

thanks for any help you can provide

One link isn't going to make your entire chain loud.

In my experience, sometimes the flared pins on those chains can be pushed back in without any trouble and other times they end up producing an annoying click on every revolution. At any rate, if the pin on the half link is too tight, just use the loosening shelf on your chain tool to free it up a bit.

edit: Also, did you completely remove the chain when you added the half-link? You may have put it back on running in the opposite direction, which would probably make it run a little louder.

pwebb 08-16-14 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 17039164)
edit: Also, did you completely remove the chain when you added the half-link? You may have put it back on running in the opposite direction, which would probably make it run a little louder.[/I]

this easily might be the culprit. either way I'm probably just going to un-install and re-install my whole drivetrain just to try and narrow it down. I'll definitely flip the chain around to see if that's it. The half-link is definitely still stiff and loud though, i'll try and play with that with my chain tool to see if anything helps. The pin seems pretty long on it though. When i pushed it in to add it i got it even on both sides and it still seems like it's sticking out past the rest of the chain (width-wise) a little on both sides. It seems like the pin was designed to be that long, it just kind of weirded me out since KMC's instructions say it should be flush with the sides of chain when installed properly.

I don't know, I've had so few problems in my fixed gear building lifetime that this one is just really bugging me. I'm hoping flipping around is the easy fix and the half-link will just loosen with more riding. we'll see. thanks for the help sir

GENESTARWIND 08-16-14 04:40 AM

your thoughts on dia compe gran compe seat post scrod?

i ask because i have the zenith/dia compe quill stem and i figured since i need a post with a mild setback why not match? even if the quill is unbranded.

YK_ 08-20-14 11:31 AM

Yo Scrod,

You may not have an answer - but I figured it'd be worth asking since you ride a Bare Knuckle and probably see lots of bikes through owning a shop.

Do you know of any road bikes with similar geometry to the BK? I'm looking to build up a road bike in the coming months, but I've never been more comfortable on a frame than my Bare Knuckle. I always hear people describe it as having "tight track geometry" so I'm worried that finding a similar road frame won't be easy. Thanks for any insight.

Carcosa 08-20-14 02:43 PM

So I've been researching wheels to upgrade on the 725 and I always just come back to Archetypes or TB14s.

Which to pick?

Or am I totally missing some other perfect option?

I know there are multiple threads, but I figured not many people have had as much experience than you with both sets and leaders at the same time.

Scrodzilla 08-20-14 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Carcosa (Post 17055368)
So I've been researching wheels to upgrade on the 725 and I always just come back to Archetypes or TB14s.

Which to pick?

Or am I totally missing some other perfect option?

I know there are multiple threads, but I figured not many people have had as much experience than you with both sets and leaders at the same time.

Both are awesome rims. Having ridden both, I'll say that Archetypes generally build a stiffer wheel (in theory) and are lighter but I tend to prefer the TB14's slightly more springy ride, especially when on an aluminum frame. I can't really say which you'll like better.

Scrodzilla 08-20-14 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by YK_ (Post 17054756)
Yo Scrod,

You may not have an answer - but I figured it'd be worth asking since you ride a Bare Knuckle and probably see lots of bikes through owning a shop.

Do you know of any road bikes with similar geometry to the BK? I'm looking to build up a road bike in the coming months, but I've never been more comfortable on a frame than my Bare Knuckle. I always hear people describe it as having "tight track geometry" so I'm worried that finding a similar road frame won't be easy. Thanks for any insight.

Yeah, I have no idea. Sorry, man.

Scrodzilla 08-20-14 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by GENESTARWIND (Post 17041560)
your thoughts on dia compe gran compe seat post scrod?

i ask because i have the zenith/dia compe quill stem and i figured since i need a post with a mild setback why not match? even if the quill is unbranded.

Sorry I missed this.

The GC seat post isn't Nitto perfection but the finish and overall quality is very nice. I just ordered one for a customer's build recently and was pretty impressed by it.

striknein 08-23-14 07:45 PM

So I have a weird problem. I'm putting a 1 1/8" stem on a threadless 1" fork using a shim. I have no problem setting the preload but I can't tighten the top bolt of the stem because the top cap literally fits inside the stem. The shim is about 5mm shorter than the stem, so I'm preloading against the shim instead of the stem. Do I just need to get a 1 1/8" top cap, or is there a longer shim I should be using?

91MF 08-23-14 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by YK_ (Post 17054756)
Yo Scrod,

You may not have an answer - but I figured it'd be worth asking since you ride a Bare Knuckle and probably see lots of bikes through owning a shop.

Do you know of any road bikes with similar geometry to the BK? I'm looking to build up a road bike in the coming months, but I've never been more comfortable on a frame than my Bare Knuckle. I always hear people describe it as having "tight track geometry" so I'm worried that finding a similar road frame won't be easy. Thanks for any insight.


if you don't mind going oldschool 1990 and older cannondale road bikes with the 'crit' designation have undersquare geometry[taller seat tube, shorter top tube] with steep headtubes. i have a 1990 sr600 crit that by comparision is way more aggressive than some bikes marketed as 'track geometry.' rear spacing is odd at 128mm as the 7 speed bikes were 126mm while the duraace 8 speed of the time had gone to 130mm.

pic of my bike when i first got it all original except for tires[originals were cracked due to age]
http://www.pedalroom.com/p/1990-cann...ium-1851_3.jpg

brochure pic
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...00_Page_28.jpg

and as a fast commuter setup 1x8
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...e/P1070631.jpg

currently half way built up as a SS.

Scrodzilla 08-23-14 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by striknein (Post 17064854)
So I have a weird problem. I'm putting a 1 1/8" stem on a threadless 1" fork using a shim. I have no problem setting the preload but I can't tighten the top bolt of the stem because the top cap literally fits inside the stem. The shim is about 5mm shorter than the stem, so I'm preloading against the shim instead of the stem. Do I just need to get a 1 1/8" top cap, or is there a longer shim I should be using?

You should always use a 1 1/8" top cap when using a 1 1/8" stem and a shim on a 1" steerer.

velomite 08-23-14 11:59 PM

The miche pistard hubs have me stumped and I was hoping you could help me out, everywhere seems to have conflicting reports. I'm considering buying a set from a friend and I know the lockring is italian threaded and I should get a Miche or other campy spec lockring, but can I use any cog? Some say that using a standard cog will strip the threads upon removal, some say it's fine. To keep my ratio the same I'd be using a surly. Thanks in advance!

Scrodzilla 08-24-14 12:04 AM

Any standard (English-threaded) cog will work. You will need an Italian-threaded lockring.

Leukybear 08-24-14 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by 91MF (Post 17065110)
and as a fast commuter setup 1x8
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...e/P1070631.jpg

currently half way built up as a SS.

That rebel8 sticker really spoils the beauty of the bike. =/


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