Nutrition
02-09-12 | 08:52 PM
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Nutrition has been kind of a hobby of mine for a decade or more. It started after reading the book "Ripped" by Clarence Bass.
I am always amazed when I talk to someone about eating or nutrition how many people have no clue how to read a food label.
Take peanut butter. Ideally, you want to eat natural peanut butter. The ingredients should list peanuts, and peanuts only. Now pick up a jar of skippy. Most likely you'll see peanuts, but then you'll also see some type of partially hydrogenated oil. Hydrogenated oils are NOT natural and are believed to be a main contributor to heart disease. Hydrogenated oils are solid at room temperature, where peanut oil is not. Hydrogenated oil is considered by some to be a poison! It's in peanut butters, twinkies, margarine, fried foods, cookies, breads, you name it. Americans eat it by the pound, it tastes good and it's cheap!
People get really confused with sugars. Yougurt is a good example. Most everyone knows that milk contains sugars. These are in the form of lactose and galactose. People will often look at the sugar content on a container of yogurt and see 24 grams per serving and say "well that's just the milk". In fact its not just milk, 90% of yogurt has sugar added to it! Even Greek yogurts!
High fructose corn syrup is a man made product. It's used in situations where you need to pack So much sugar into something that granulated sugar just won't work. Also it's super ****ing cheap and it tastes great! So manufacturers put it in everything! Soda, cakes, peanut butters, ketchup, spaghetti and bbq sauce, anything marketed to kids.
Food is purely about marketing. Manufacturers want to make the cheapest food possible and then they want you to consume more than you need.
Lately I've really began focusing on eating as much raw food as possible. Think about this. Food in its natural state contains the enzymes and microbes necessary to digest that food. Cut an apple in half and set it on the kitchen counter. How long till its mushy? Now look at a jar of applesauce. That applesauce has been pastureized. Cooked essentially. Chances are it has an expiration date a year from now! How is that? The enzymes in that food that will help us digest that food, have been killed off. This food is ****.
Now open your fridge and look a expiration dates chances are your milk is due to expire within a week from now. Unless you bought "ultra-pasteurized" milk. It's the latest and greatest! Now, milk stays fresh in the fridge for a month or more! technology is awesome!
And we wonder why we are sold pro biotics and such for digestive health and why we have to take medicines for indigestion.
Sorry this is kind of a rant, I get angry about ****ty food...r
I am always amazed when I talk to someone about eating or nutrition how many people have no clue how to read a food label.
Take peanut butter. Ideally, you want to eat natural peanut butter. The ingredients should list peanuts, and peanuts only. Now pick up a jar of skippy. Most likely you'll see peanuts, but then you'll also see some type of partially hydrogenated oil. Hydrogenated oils are NOT natural and are believed to be a main contributor to heart disease. Hydrogenated oils are solid at room temperature, where peanut oil is not. Hydrogenated oil is considered by some to be a poison! It's in peanut butters, twinkies, margarine, fried foods, cookies, breads, you name it. Americans eat it by the pound, it tastes good and it's cheap!
People get really confused with sugars. Yougurt is a good example. Most everyone knows that milk contains sugars. These are in the form of lactose and galactose. People will often look at the sugar content on a container of yogurt and see 24 grams per serving and say "well that's just the milk". In fact its not just milk, 90% of yogurt has sugar added to it! Even Greek yogurts!
High fructose corn syrup is a man made product. It's used in situations where you need to pack So much sugar into something that granulated sugar just won't work. Also it's super ****ing cheap and it tastes great! So manufacturers put it in everything! Soda, cakes, peanut butters, ketchup, spaghetti and bbq sauce, anything marketed to kids.
Food is purely about marketing. Manufacturers want to make the cheapest food possible and then they want you to consume more than you need.
Lately I've really began focusing on eating as much raw food as possible. Think about this. Food in its natural state contains the enzymes and microbes necessary to digest that food. Cut an apple in half and set it on the kitchen counter. How long till its mushy? Now look at a jar of applesauce. That applesauce has been pastureized. Cooked essentially. Chances are it has an expiration date a year from now! How is that? The enzymes in that food that will help us digest that food, have been killed off. This food is ****.
Now open your fridge and look a expiration dates chances are your milk is due to expire within a week from now. Unless you bought "ultra-pasteurized" milk. It's the latest and greatest! Now, milk stays fresh in the fridge for a month or more! technology is awesome!
And we wonder why we are sold pro biotics and such for digestive health and why we have to take medicines for indigestion.
Sorry this is kind of a rant, I get angry about ****ty food...r
02-09-12 | 10:42 PM
#102
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Nutrition has been kind of a hobby of mine for a decade or more. It started after reading the book "Ripped" by Clarence Bass.
I am always amazed when I talk to someone about eating or nutrition how many people have no clue how to read a food label.
Take peanut butter. Ideally, you want to eat natural peanut butter. The ingredients should list peanuts, and peanuts only. Now pick up a jar of skippy. Most likely you'll see peanuts, but then you'll also see some type of partially hydrogenated oil. Hydrogenated oils are NOT natural and are believed to be a main contributor to heart disease. Hydrogenated oils are solid at room temperature, where peanut oil is not. Hydrogenated oil is considered by some to be a poison! It's in peanut butters, twinkies, margarine, fried foods, cookies, breads, you name it. Americans eat it by the pound, it tastes good and it's cheap!
People get really confused with sugars. Yougurt is a good example. Most everyone knows that milk contains sugars. These are in the form of lactose and galactose. People will often look at the sugar content on a container of yogurt and see 24 grams per serving and say "well that's just the milk". In fact its not just milk, 90% of yogurt has sugar added to it! Even Greek yogurts!
High fructose corn syrup is a man made product. It's used in situations where you need to pack So much sugar into something that granulated sugar just won't work. Also it's super ****ing cheap and it tastes great! So manufacturers put it in everything! Soda, cakes, peanut butters, ketchup, spaghetti and bbq sauce, anything marketed to kids.
Food is purely about marketing. Manufacturers want to make the cheapest food possible and then they want you to consume more than you need.
Lately I've really began focusing on eating as much raw food as possible. Think about this. Food in its natural state contains the enzymes and microbes necessary to digest that food. Cut an apple in half and set it on the kitchen counter. How long till its mushy? Now look at a jar of applesauce. That applesauce has been pastureized. Cooked essentially. Chances are it has an expiration date a year from now! How is that? The enzymes in that food that will help us digest that food, have been killed off. This food is ****.
Now open your fridge and look a expiration dates chances are your milk is due to expire within a week from now. Unless you bought "ultra-pasteurized" milk. It's the latest and greatest! Now, milk stays fresh in the fridge for a month or more! technology is awesome!
And we wonder why we are sold pro biotics and such for digestive health and why we have to take medicines for indigestion.
Sorry this is kind of a rant, I get angry about ****ty food...r
I am always amazed when I talk to someone about eating or nutrition how many people have no clue how to read a food label.
Take peanut butter. Ideally, you want to eat natural peanut butter. The ingredients should list peanuts, and peanuts only. Now pick up a jar of skippy. Most likely you'll see peanuts, but then you'll also see some type of partially hydrogenated oil. Hydrogenated oils are NOT natural and are believed to be a main contributor to heart disease. Hydrogenated oils are solid at room temperature, where peanut oil is not. Hydrogenated oil is considered by some to be a poison! It's in peanut butters, twinkies, margarine, fried foods, cookies, breads, you name it. Americans eat it by the pound, it tastes good and it's cheap!
People get really confused with sugars. Yougurt is a good example. Most everyone knows that milk contains sugars. These are in the form of lactose and galactose. People will often look at the sugar content on a container of yogurt and see 24 grams per serving and say "well that's just the milk". In fact its not just milk, 90% of yogurt has sugar added to it! Even Greek yogurts!
High fructose corn syrup is a man made product. It's used in situations where you need to pack So much sugar into something that granulated sugar just won't work. Also it's super ****ing cheap and it tastes great! So manufacturers put it in everything! Soda, cakes, peanut butters, ketchup, spaghetti and bbq sauce, anything marketed to kids.
Food is purely about marketing. Manufacturers want to make the cheapest food possible and then they want you to consume more than you need.
Lately I've really began focusing on eating as much raw food as possible. Think about this. Food in its natural state contains the enzymes and microbes necessary to digest that food. Cut an apple in half and set it on the kitchen counter. How long till its mushy? Now look at a jar of applesauce. That applesauce has been pastureized. Cooked essentially. Chances are it has an expiration date a year from now! How is that? The enzymes in that food that will help us digest that food, have been killed off. This food is ****.
Now open your fridge and look a expiration dates chances are your milk is due to expire within a week from now. Unless you bought "ultra-pasteurized" milk. It's the latest and greatest! Now, milk stays fresh in the fridge for a month or more! technology is awesome!
And we wonder why we are sold pro biotics and such for digestive health and why we have to take medicines for indigestion.
Sorry this is kind of a rant, I get angry about ****ty food...r
02-09-12 | 10:49 PM
#103
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I'm sure this goes without saying, but stay out of McDonalds. Every now and then I forget to eat and get super hungry and think "Any food will do, right now. I just need calories." and consider eating from a McDonalds that's on my way. Then I think of this:
02-09-12 | 10:53 PM
#104
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https://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/...hamburger.html
02-10-12 | 10:46 AM
#105
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Another +1 to Abe's rant, especially the part about enzymes, that **** is magical.
If you want to eat veggies don't cook them to death. The best is to stir fry or steam, and make sure they are still crispy. Stir fry is great because it is easy to cut up some veggies and flash them in the pan for a few minutes. High heat for short periods of time kind of "seals" the enzymes into the veggies. Tastes great and great for you. Always eat almond, walnuts, and nut betters raw. Forget peanut butter, almond butter is where it's at, trader joe's has it for cheap, just check the label and make sure the only ingredient is RAW almonds.
If you want to eat veggies don't cook them to death. The best is to stir fry or steam, and make sure they are still crispy. Stir fry is great because it is easy to cut up some veggies and flash them in the pan for a few minutes. High heat for short periods of time kind of "seals" the enzymes into the veggies. Tastes great and great for you. Always eat almond, walnuts, and nut betters raw. Forget peanut butter, almond butter is where it's at, trader joe's has it for cheap, just check the label and make sure the only ingredient is RAW almonds.
02-10-12 | 10:59 AM
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Target brand almond butter is great and only contains almonds. Cheaper than the fancy label brands.
When you steam your veggies, get the water boiling before dumping the veggies onto the steamer cage.
I keep a tub of raw almonds and another of pistachios on my desk at work. The vending machine contains only garbage.
the long version of Dr. Lustig's "Sugar, the Bitter Truth"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
short version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ
When you steam your veggies, get the water boiling before dumping the veggies onto the steamer cage.
I keep a tub of raw almonds and another of pistachios on my desk at work. The vending machine contains only garbage.
the long version of Dr. Lustig's "Sugar, the Bitter Truth"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
short version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ
02-10-12 | 11:09 AM
#107
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Munching on some raw walnuts now, so good....brain food
The SAD (standard american diet) is so full of denatured foods that lack the essential enzymes and amino acids that our bodies need. It is good to avoid the SAD diet at all costs.
Edit: I was in the fancy ass food co-op the other day and i wanted some almond butter. One of the fancy brands was $17 for a jar! That is one pound for $17! WTF? At trader joe's it's about $4.99. Needless to say i just got some good quality dairy butter instead.
The SAD (standard american diet) is so full of denatured foods that lack the essential enzymes and amino acids that our bodies need. It is good to avoid the SAD diet at all costs.
Edit: I was in the fancy ass food co-op the other day and i wanted some almond butter. One of the fancy brands was $17 for a jar! That is one pound for $17! WTF? At trader joe's it's about $4.99. Needless to say i just got some good quality dairy butter instead.
02-10-12 | 11:23 AM
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Target brand almond butter is great and only contains almonds. Cheaper than the fancy label brands.
When you steam your veggies, get the water boiling before dumping the veggies onto the steamer cage.
I keep a tub of raw almonds and another of pistachios on my desk at work. The vending machine contains only garbage.
the long version of Dr. Lustig's "Sugar, the Bitter Truth"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
short version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ
When you steam your veggies, get the water boiling before dumping the veggies onto the steamer cage.
I keep a tub of raw almonds and another of pistachios on my desk at work. The vending machine contains only garbage.
the long version of Dr. Lustig's "Sugar, the Bitter Truth"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
short version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ
They are also good for making homemade energy bars. I made some yesterday as a matter of fact. Great for an afternoon snack and are great for the trail. Good stuff.
02-10-12 | 11:27 AM
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Munching on some raw walnuts now, so good....brain food
The SAD (standard american diet) is so full of denatured foods that lack the essential enzymes and amino acids that our bodies need. It is good to avoid the SAD diet at all costs.
Edit: I was in the fancy ass food co-op the other day and i wanted some almond butter. One of the fancy brands was $17 for a jar! That is one pound for $17! WTF? At trader joe's it's about $4.99. Needless to say i just got some good quality dairy butter instead.
The SAD (standard american diet) is so full of denatured foods that lack the essential enzymes and amino acids that our bodies need. It is good to avoid the SAD diet at all costs.
Edit: I was in the fancy ass food co-op the other day and i wanted some almond butter. One of the fancy brands was $17 for a jar! That is one pound for $17! WTF? At trader joe's it's about $4.99. Needless to say i just got some good quality dairy butter instead.
02-10-12 | 12:11 PM
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02-10-12 | 12:41 PM
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Awesome thread.
I'm currently trying to cut out a lot of sugar from my diet. I havent been eating fast food or drinking soda for a few years now. My problem is that I suck/don't like/dont have time for cooking. I really want to like it because it is pretty much essential for eating healthy, but whatever.
Breakfast: I ate cereal my entire life, and I'm trying to ween myself off of it now. I eat a few eggs most days(with some veggies and cheese thats in the fridge), and some plain greek yogurt with granola.
Lunch: I usually have a salad with spinach and any of the following eggs, sunflower kernels, cucumber, blue cheese, cranberries, apples, carrots, bellpeppers. Sometimes I'll eat a bowl of canned soup(I know its bad).
Dinner: Is usually a turkey sandwich, or I'll sneak over to my parents for some good food.
Snacks: Fruit with natural peanut butter.
The problem I have is that I'm a roadie and I often do really long/hard rides especially on the weekends. Before during and after these rides I have to eat a ton of whatever I can get my hands on. Its usually high calorie, carb, sugar stuff(a lot of cycling specific food) is this a problem?
Feel free to critique my diet. I dont like it.
I'm currently trying to cut out a lot of sugar from my diet. I havent been eating fast food or drinking soda for a few years now. My problem is that I suck/don't like/dont have time for cooking. I really want to like it because it is pretty much essential for eating healthy, but whatever.
Breakfast: I ate cereal my entire life, and I'm trying to ween myself off of it now. I eat a few eggs most days(with some veggies and cheese thats in the fridge), and some plain greek yogurt with granola.
Lunch: I usually have a salad with spinach and any of the following eggs, sunflower kernels, cucumber, blue cheese, cranberries, apples, carrots, bellpeppers. Sometimes I'll eat a bowl of canned soup(I know its bad).
Dinner: Is usually a turkey sandwich, or I'll sneak over to my parents for some good food.
Snacks: Fruit with natural peanut butter.
The problem I have is that I'm a roadie and I often do really long/hard rides especially on the weekends. Before during and after these rides I have to eat a ton of whatever I can get my hands on. Its usually high calorie, carb, sugar stuff(a lot of cycling specific food) is this a problem?
Feel free to critique my diet. I dont like it.
02-10-12 | 01:20 PM
#114
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02-10-12 | 01:57 PM
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Interesting thread:
I've lost 45 pounds this last year and my lovely spouse is down 50. We re-learned now to eat. We did not go vegetarian, vegan, raw, or weird. We eat 5-6 small meals each day - 2 or 3 hours apart. Normally I have about 180 calories for each feeding and make sure they are balanced with fat/carb/protein - normally 10-15g of protein for each. I then have, usually dinner, a meal with 4-7 oz of lean protein and a large salad or plenty of steamed veg.
We do go "off the farm" now and then: Superbowl Sunday is an example, but not how you think. Rather than eat chips/dips/wings/beer/etc. we had a nice steak, veggie and salad, I had two glasses of a nice Cabernet, and we split a dessert. Yep, weight was up Monday but I'm now 4 pounds lower than last Friday.
We went on a cruise last December, ate pretty much at will, but were aware of each meal and drink. I went on the cruise 4 pounds under my self imposed max - came home 3 pounds "over". By the following Wednesday I was back under my "max".
Education, discipline, and the will to change are key. I could do vegetarian or raw or whatever but I choose not too. I am diabetic but my A1C has been in the non/never diabetic range for over 9 months.
I've lost 45 pounds this last year and my lovely spouse is down 50. We re-learned now to eat. We did not go vegetarian, vegan, raw, or weird. We eat 5-6 small meals each day - 2 or 3 hours apart. Normally I have about 180 calories for each feeding and make sure they are balanced with fat/carb/protein - normally 10-15g of protein for each. I then have, usually dinner, a meal with 4-7 oz of lean protein and a large salad or plenty of steamed veg.
We do go "off the farm" now and then: Superbowl Sunday is an example, but not how you think. Rather than eat chips/dips/wings/beer/etc. we had a nice steak, veggie and salad, I had two glasses of a nice Cabernet, and we split a dessert. Yep, weight was up Monday but I'm now 4 pounds lower than last Friday.
We went on a cruise last December, ate pretty much at will, but were aware of each meal and drink. I went on the cruise 4 pounds under my self imposed max - came home 3 pounds "over". By the following Wednesday I was back under my "max".
Education, discipline, and the will to change are key. I could do vegetarian or raw or whatever but I choose not too. I am diabetic but my A1C has been in the non/never diabetic range for over 9 months.
02-10-12 | 02:37 PM
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02-10-12 | 03:41 PM
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current opinion is that bread was a byproduct of Sumerian beer production. "dude, this stuff we make beer from (half baked bread), let's put it by the fire...".
calorically dense and safe to drink? what more could you ask for? not to mention tasty.
just make sure to count it as food and not just a beverage.
being formerly morbidly obese, i try to tell folks: only you can decide what to put in face.......
calorically dense and safe to drink? what more could you ask for? not to mention tasty.
just make sure to count it as food and not just a beverage.
being formerly morbidly obese, i try to tell folks: only you can decide what to put in face.......
02-10-12 | 08:52 PM
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02-11-12 | 12:44 PM
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when you come to seattle you'll have to turn into a beard havin, co-op shopping, flannel wearing, granola crunchin, organic eatin hippie like the rest of us