hehe, this is why I keep my own ebay stuff secret , plus on ebay I'm a nervous old lady who ships quick and has amazing customer service, keeps it at 100% ez and have never had to give bad feedback either. When some noob shorts me on shipping or something I send em a form email with their name, item # & amounts owing in a story that make them run to paypal to make up the difference...no one wants the karma of ripping off an honest old widow who just wants her due by being good to others.
--best--ebay--strategy--ever--

LMAO, all the e-mail traffic between us is posted on my blog for the world wide web to see. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide or to lie about. If you have others I would love to see them. I doubt you have time to waste on me drafting phony e-mails.

Bottom line is I didn't get free anything. I got my $57 dollars back for my order that I never received. You would get your $ back if you knew how to run a business and do your taxes. Hopefully you learn from this mistake and insure future orders.

Word.

I love the internet.

Somedays, I wish I could say the same.

beer anyone?

*buys a round for the forum*

On another note, I saw an awesome Rolls saddle at the LBS today. It's like a brown tiger stripe type pattern for 26 euro. I might go back tomorrow and get it. That would look sweet on my town bike or maybe my IRO.

Awwww, I was just getting set to piejack the thread!

If these are the carbon wheels you're talking about then they probably add a good pound or two compared to good spoked wheels.
What I could find of Specialized Tri-Spoke weights 2300 grams for both, 1060 for one.
Yours probably aren't those exact wheels either.

https://www.tc-homes.com/bike/features/wheels/cover.htm
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/wheel/grignon.htm

what a surprise it is that you sell both the soma and privatlabel... that must be convenient for me, so if i take your advice, i can go to you for those frames... I wasn't gonna jump in this thread, but as a IRO owner who loves his bike, I have to say that IRO frames are worth every penny in my opinion and that you need to go somewhere else for advertising. This is a forum to talk about bikes, not to sell, so please do not try to disguise a plug for your own shop as valuble opinion. Thank you. This will be my one and only post on this thread. Have a nice day.

My golly. i was holding out for track king and was hoping this was just a misunderstanding and no hard feelings but bashing another bike company out of the blue, wow, that is just uncalled for. This is a real creep. ive bought before from him but i will never again. i really am appauled at how low this scumbag sank.

I too was hoping this would blow over. I was hopeful that he would rise to the occasion based on his prices and 'free shipping to Canada'. I guess the stress of launching his bussiness was too much to bear. He has definately lost it here.

oh bike king.. you just fumbled on the goal line.. ouch..kinda funny really.. you should have stopped while you were ahead..

i really hate to interject - but I just have to point out that this is the only thread where such juvenielle ranting is occurring. We have tons of IRO riders on this forum, and tons of custom-made and meant for racing on the track riders. We have always managed to get along and people disagree and have MANY different viewpoints - from gold wheels to clipless pedals, to whether an old pinarrello being converted is a sin.

your defensive quibbles are not only annoying, but they are childish and plain old bad business.

do yourself a favor and stop replying. please.

strangely all of the bike king's posts have disappeared. was this by the monitors, or did he just delete them himself so he wouldn't leave an internet trail showing what a total ******bag he is?

anyway, he's pretty much cemented my decision to never do business with him, ever. i have a feeling tony at IRO is going to be much more successful in his business than this illiterate clown.

Hmmm, it looks like the bike king has been 53_11'd

Wow, before all this I considered him a good source for all things track-related. Great prices and free shipping to canada.
Now, I will NEVER buy from him.

Before anyone else decides they want to bash a quality dealer that got screwed here this is my last public message ( well hopefully anyways);

I just do not understand what your problems are. I decide it's not worth fighting like a little kid in a chat room and many of our previous customers openly stab me in the back? What's the deal with that? No seriously whats the deal. We have been more then fair always taken care of the customers. 1 Thief does this much damage? Can you explain this one? Seriously explain this to me.

I take the high road and back down rather then upset the forums with Ebay bullsh-t and now I am all the names everyone can not find to use anywhere else? Come on get serious. I pulled the posting because I make way to much money to be dealing with little petty crap like this. And to top it off I got ripped off and it's obvious and I am the bad guy for backing down. I am not taking a dive here and costing you a boxing bet. I am stepping away and defusing a problem that's got way out of hand and has moved from one forum to the next.

Please Pm me and fill me in where I screwed up by backing down and deciding it's not worth the hassles anymore.

Thanks, Neal

I am going for a f-ing ride. This is kid sh-t and I am out.

In your next to last post that you start off on shaky ground...
Tony at IRO has shown nothing but impeccable customer service and civility in these forums. IRO products fill a need that other products just don't fill.

Then you alienate alot of serious riders here that do ride IROs...
I think folks here were about to give you the benefit of the doubt about the daveIT situation, then you go off on a tangent and dig a new hole to fall into.

yes.. track king.... what blast says is true.. so when you visit the therepist and they ask what you're there for.. just drop the words "passive aggressive tendencies" and they will get you on your way to sorting you out

I guess I have to come back and leave one message here no matter what. Again I was not bashing tony. I keep calling him John. That may be the confusion there. Anyways I am saying Iro bikes are parts ane not near that great of quality and we stopped carrying them. It`s no to bash Tony. It was simply saying for a little more money there's alot beter products out there. was the frame worth the $125.00 I paid? Yes it was wuould I recomend it to my customers? No . It was not to bash on him at all. I have reasons to bash on him if I wanted to but it would be nothing that I have not done my self so why throw stones?

Tony is a good guy making a decent product for the money. It's just not what we want to carry. In fact like mentioned before I pulled the post. I do not care for Soma much either. We have 2 of them left and they are done also. I really do not want to get pulled in to another heated debate so I will pull out now hopefully being understood and not bashed.

Nothing like buying/selling on Ebay to learn how bad the mental-health picture is in the US. You can be a nice person on Ebay but for god's sake you sure have to C.Y.A. when you do so and don't expect any thanks.

I think the best comparison to Ebay is: Running a liquor store in a "bad" neighborhood, you can be nice and friendly and ppl will too, but you never know when a months-long war will start, when someone will find some way to shut down an account (yours or theirs) or an old friend you've sold to for years will get up that morning, and his ol' lady left him, his landlord doubled his rent, and he needs some crack, and the nearest source of money is YOU. The money is good on Ebay but it's the bad neighborhood of the 'net, and you have to be careful, professional, and you're not there to be anyone's buddy or *shudder* friend, you're there to do a good clean honest transaction and that's all.

You did say in the beginning that you weren't trying to bash... however, noone likes to be told they made a mistake buying something nor should you disparage IRO by implying buying one would be a mistake. Would people like to buy a high zoot track frame if they had the means? Sure they would. But if the means weren't there, IRO is a fine bike. PS. I replied to your PM.

here's the deal dude, and i'm going to try to be as civil as i can since my last post was a bit harsh:

for starters, you have no place to be calling anyone a *THIEF* unless you have the means to prove this. to do otherwise is insulting and tactless. you had the opportunity to take the high road at the very beginning, i don't consider it big of you to do so after people's responses don't go your way. if, like you say, you "make way to much money to be dealing with little petty crap like this" why was a $57 item too big of an issue for you to settle in a professional manner? if you have no problem letting people keep a cog when you ship the wrong one, why can't you afford to give this guy the benefit of the doubt?

lastly, you top it off by insulting iro. we're smart enough to not need anyone telling us how to spend our money, thanks. people buy from tony and tell their friends to buy from tony cos he's a COOL DUDE. from most of the posts i've seen from you, you honestly just don't seem like a very nice guy. tony posts here, don walker posts here, gene from spicer posts here, matt at kogswell posts here and you are the only one who talks **** on other people's products.

here we go again. I sold IRO as a dealer. It was not a good product in our opinion. I can not give the bars away the other " IRO " products are just cheap taiwan stuff etc... If I were not a dealer I would just be a guy that was not happy over all with his frame/ fork and realized it was a bad $125.00 and I would not do it again and I was being cool for having an opinion. But since I am a delaer and I bought a frame at wholesale and posted I do not like it I think its clean enough but not really a decent product to call a track frame, and its a heavey tank I am the Antichrist. Tony is not a competitor to us. Have you looked at what he sells? It's not the level we wantto be known for honestly. It was all Fixie/ messenger stuff until I called him one day and got him hooked up with EAI and got him on the same page as us. He was still believeing that Soma was a decent cog. He was getting robbed on prices for bars and could not get what he needed etc...

My competitor is Businesscycle not Iro. John if anything is above us and where we are headed. Do not take it as I am trying to bash IRO I am stating I had one and I was not impressed over all. We sold a couple talked it over int he shop and decided itw as not for us. We are not wrong to say that I would ride a Soma or a Nesunno/ PL/EAI Bare Knuckles frame over it. I do not stock alot of frames because I can not afford to " STOCK" the frames my customer base wants. nor can I probably get them any cheaper then they can since the BT is their usual frame of choice.

I know this sounds defensive yet again but remember I am not here chatting I am stuck coming back here over and over defending anything I say. If you want to take one sentence and use it to Flame me so be it. If you have a serius statement you know how to send a PM or an email. Hell want to know if i am seriously the Jack ass I am made out to be ? let me get a few hours sleep and call me on my bill toll free at 1-877-717-1775.

I need rest its 3:58 am and this is just stupid.

Nealz, is this a new alias for your Ebay endeavors? Very entertaining stuff! Laterz, dude. Gonna go roid my boik.

Do you know what ad hominem arguments make me think of ? That's right, pie. Gooey stick to your teeth and tummy pie...

What's my favourite pie you ask? No contest, my grandmother's saskatoon berry pie. And not the cultivated stuff you get in Ontario, but real wild Saskatchewan saskatoon berries. The kind you get after a day in some godforsaken spot, picking the woodticks off you fill your ice cream tub with berries. My personal woodtick record is 175 in two hours, but I digress.

So you can keep shoofly pie, bumbleberry pie, apple pie etc. Saskatoon berry pie beats them all like a bad monkey.