Gunnar Grand Tour
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Gunnar Grand Tour
Does anyone have one of these? If so, your thoughts, impressions.
https://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/grand-tour/
https://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/grand-tour/
#2
It's pretty new, so you might have some trouble finding someone.
I've tried the Waterford version (same company).
It's very rugged. Most touring bikes have some flex in them.
This one doesn't.
If I was going to ride across the country, this would be my first choice.
I've tried the Waterford version (same company).
It's very rugged. Most touring bikes have some flex in them.
This one doesn't.
If I was going to ride across the country, this would be my first choice.
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Bikes: Surly Krampus, Surly Straggler, Pivot Mach 6, Bike Friday Tikit, Bike Friday Tandem, Santa Cruz Nomad
An overly stiff frame is not an asset on tour unless you are a very heavy rider with a very heavy load. You do need a frame that is stiff enough for your specific case, but I'd caution against buying the stiffest frame possible unless you need it. The ride quality and performance will suffer.
#4
Frame $975, then fork is extra. It seems the Surly LHT trucker frame and fork are similar but with slightly more tour-friendly features -- two sets of fork eyelets on dropout, spoke mounts, and options for 26" wheels -- for less than 1/2 the cost at ~$450 or less. In fact, for price of the Gunnar, one could get a complete Surly LHT. Perhaps made in the USA and difference in frame material justifies the price for some.
P.S. Looking at frame geometry, the LHT also seems to have aspects that more tour-centric. For example, longer wheel base and longer chainstays.
P.S. Looking at frame geometry, the LHT also seems to have aspects that more tour-centric. For example, longer wheel base and longer chainstays.
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Gunnar TIG welded steel frame, is a US product, Surly is another product
of the very good Manufacturing factorys on Taiwan.
Lots of Tour Bikes get used as commuters, so shorter chainstays have appeal to that consumer base.
of the very good Manufacturing factorys on Taiwan.
Lots of Tour Bikes get used as commuters, so shorter chainstays have appeal to that consumer base.
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Ideally, I want a nice all rounder for unloaded long rides, but still can do the loaded touring. The owner of my LBS, calling loaded touring bikes "Prairie Schooners", thinks the Gunnar would provide a more "supple" ride unloaded. Also suggested looking into a 'Cross bike, as that would also provide a more spirited ride unloaded, and perform better on gravel roads. I know many on this forum have gone that route. This will be my project next winter. It will be my "Dream Bike" but my funds are not unlimited, if you know what I mean.
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See if you can get the tubing diameters and wall thicknesses for the bikes in question. That will tell you a lot about how they'll ride.
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BTW - my latest bike is a Waterford built steel frame made from the smallest thinest tubing they'd use for my 59cm TT. Rides wonderfully. Too light for a loaded touring rig of course, but I'll be doing some fast credit card tours on it this year.
#9
Frame $975, then fork is extra. It seems the Surly LHT trucker frame and fork are similar but with slightly more tour-friendly features -- two sets of fork eyelets on dropout, spoke mounts, and options for 26" wheels -- for less than 1/2 the cost at ~$450 or less. In fact, for price of the Gunnar, one could get a complete Surly LHT. Perhaps made in the USA and difference in frame material justifies the price for some.
P.S. Looking at frame geometry, the LHT also seems to have aspects that more tour-centric. For example, longer wheel base and longer chainstays.
P.S. Looking at frame geometry, the LHT also seems to have aspects that more tour-centric. For example, longer wheel base and longer chainstays.
Surly makes a good bike, Gunnar makes very good bikes.
#10
Ideally, I want a nice all rounder for unloaded long rides, but still can do the loaded touring. The owner of my LBS, calling loaded touring bikes "Prairie Schooners", thinks the Gunnar would provide a more "supple" ride unloaded. Also suggested looking into a 'Cross bike, as that would also provide a more spirited ride unloaded, and perform better on gravel roads. I know many on this forum have gone that route. This will be my project next winter. It will be my "Dream Bike" but my funds are not unlimited, if you know what I mean.
It's short for a tourer, but much better for unloaded riding than a touring frame would be.
#11
https://surlybikes.com/frames/trucker_deluxe_frame/
https://surlybikes.com/frames/long_haul_trucker_frame/
https://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/grand-tour/
What criteria are you using to claim one make is good and the other make is very good, or this just an opinion?
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I would be willing to be bet that the Gunnar is lighter, rides better and has much better build quality than the LHT. Nothing wrong with a LHT, but Gunnars are simply better bikes if you've got the money to pay the difference. Plus you can get a Gunnar painted just about any color and get custom geometry for an upcharge.
Also check out the Soma Saga, which costs about the same as a LHT and has a geometry more favorable to many people (taller head tube, shorter top tube).
For light touring (credit card, supported tours), the Salsa Casseroll, Soma ES, and Gunnar Sport are all worthy choices.
BTW, I bought a Bob Jackson World Tour for commuting direct from England, and it didn't cost that much more than a LHT ($630). They will paint your bike in just about any color/decal combination. The BJ World Tour is designed for loaded touring, so it rides stiffer (unloaded) than a typical road bike or sport tourer. In contrast, my Salsa Casseroll (a sport tourer) has much more comfortable ride unloaded with comparable tires.
Also check out the Soma Saga, which costs about the same as a LHT and has a geometry more favorable to many people (taller head tube, shorter top tube).
For light touring (credit card, supported tours), the Salsa Casseroll, Soma ES, and Gunnar Sport are all worthy choices.
BTW, I bought a Bob Jackson World Tour for commuting direct from England, and it didn't cost that much more than a LHT ($630). They will paint your bike in just about any color/decal combination. The BJ World Tour is designed for loaded touring, so it rides stiffer (unloaded) than a typical road bike or sport tourer. In contrast, my Salsa Casseroll (a sport tourer) has much more comfortable ride unloaded with comparable tires.
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I would be willing to be bet that the Gunnar is lighter, rides better and has much better build quality than the LHT. Nothing wrong with a LHT, but Gunnars are simply better bikes if you've got the money to pay the difference. Plus you can get a Gunnar painted just about any color and get custom geometry for an upcharge.
Your last point is the most important if you need something semi-custom to make it work for you.
I've had two Waterford bikes and they were both lovely. My latest one has paint issues - stunning custom colour, but chips off if you look at it funny. I also own 4 Surly bikes and they are some of my favourites.
The reason I would go back to Waterford vs. buying another Surly would be to get a low trail front end geometry and to get light tubing for better frame flex. Surly uses fairly stiff tubing and high trail geometry on bikes like the LHT. OTOH if the bike in question has a stiff frame [which looks likely by the PR spew] and has a standard high trail front end than I'd spend my $$ on a LHT and get a custom paint job if I wanted something unique.
BTW - I've owned several touring bikes that most would agree were "better" than the LHT. After riding them for a year or so I sold them and I still own my LHT.
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