Surly Announced Disc option for LHT. what do you think?
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Talamena (just the ascent, no run out flats) is 3.7 miles long or so. It sports an average grade of 7.1%, with a max grade of about 14.7% close to the bottom where there is a good straight section to let it go. Everything above it is of a lesser grade with about a 9% section on top. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/671781
rhe Vesuvuis drop...just the drop...is 2.2 miles long, it's average grade is 11.1%, 20.6 is the max grade and that among several includes a switchback. Most of the rest of descent is in double digits. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/671039
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Overall the point is that I, personally, wouldn't worry about brake performance on such a short steep run. I don't worry about brakes on other routes I've ridden that require far more braking (check my corrected link to Saxon Mountain). Overheated brakes are just not something that I worry about on any downhill whether on- or off-road. I don't brake in a manner whether using hub mounted discs or rim brakes that overheat my brakes.
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Here it is again, I took the top off, it still does not compare. All that needs done to see this is to run the curser along the lower graph and read the grades. There is a world of difference. His average grade is 8.7%, that does not compare with 11.1%. His max grade remains the same at 14.7% on a straight away. That does not compare to a 20.6% max grade which goes around a switchback. I might add that most of the switchbacks on this section have some loose gravel kicked up on them from cars hitting the shoulders. Forty mph around them is impossible.
This is posted in the "Ride With GPS" program that cyccomute provided (I do like it better than "MAPMYIDE", thanks cyccomute).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/671781
That facts should speak for themselves. If not, go ride the damn thing, but do be careful.
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disc brakes
I don't want anything that I can't repair with minimal tools--$20 worth of parts and a wrench (allen), and I can rebuild my V brakes completely. No thanks. I have descended Mt. Mitchell, back in the old days, and New Found Gap to Cherokee several times and have had no problem with overheating rims.
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I don't want anything that I can't repair with minimal tools--$20 worth of parts and a wrench (allen), and I can rebuild my V brakes completely. No thanks. I have descended Mt. Mitchell, back in the old days, and New Found Gap to Cherokee several times and have had no problem with overheating rims.
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is it just me or is "disc trucker" a completely lame name?
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I'd prefer they stick with the LHT TT decal, or better yet, no decals at all.
Also, I don't care for that green color. I was hoping for more of a "british racing' green.
Also, I don't care for that green color. I was hoping for more of a "british racing' green.
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Word, at first the green sounded good, but seeing it it looks more of a grey-green, and kind of uninspiring...
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Green nashbar touring frame is awesome color.
Stop whining over disc brakes. You guys act as if they discontinued the non disc version in favor of disc. That's not the case. They are offering another option that many of us want.
Stop whining over disc brakes. You guys act as if they discontinued the non disc version in favor of disc. That's not the case. They are offering another option that many of us want.
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I like the rear dropouts. I'm surprised they just tacked an iso mount to the existing fork. That's a flexible fork even with rim brakes. I wonder about the cable routing for the rear disc. Guess we'll have to wait for official Surly pics.
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Yes, it is. My neighbor's had one for 5 years now. Maybe Surly should subcontract powdercoat selection to Nashbar.
The NTF is quite a deal. You can get it for 20% of at times, making the delivered cost along with the optional fork <$150.
The NTF is quite a deal. You can get it for 20% of at times, making the delivered cost along with the optional fork <$150.
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I find surly's paint to be very durable.... but most of the time their colors could be better
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Surly stickers peel right off. And your local powdercoater would be happy to make your frame whatever color you prefer, for less than $100. And, as motebecane69 notes, people who don't like disk brakes can simply buy the one that doesn't have them.
IOW, I am at a total loss to understand the venom this thing has inspired.
IOW, I am at a total loss to understand the venom this thing has inspired.
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This is not true in my experience. It was very difficult to remove decals from a 2006 LHT, without damaging the underlying powdercoat. I removed all 8 decals, and not a single one peeled right off. They came off in numerous small pieces, only after a lot of scrapping with a plastic-edged tool, or my fingernails. Metal edges are too hard, they will gouge the soft powdercoat. The decals were largely impervious to gasoline, paint thinner, adhesive remover, and acetone. I had to scrape and buff those suckers off, and it took hours. I have removed decals from other bikes - some came off easily, others not at all. The decals on my Litespeed dissolved in seconds with a few wipes of acetone on a cloth. The Surly was a real chore.
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I agree, it is. But I'm glad to see the new disc-compatible fork has a lugged crown, and I kind of like the dark green color. Thanks to all who've posted links and pics of the new bike; all-in-all, a nice looking frame and fork IMO.
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I actually like the looks of the bike as a whole. It looks very clean, but I did just see the rear disc brake cable running on the top side of the down tube. This might not be the final product; Surly hasn't posted official photos on there sites. I figure there are some little changes they might do. The non-drive side seat stay has the spoke holder; I figured they would do that. With the Disc Trucker, it looks like it will be easier to mount fenders on. My brakes got in the way when I first put my fenders on, do to to the cables.
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I like the looks of it too. Not enough to trade mine in for one though.
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I don't want anything that I can't repair with minimal tools--$20 worth of parts and a wrench (allen), and I can rebuild my V brakes completely. No thanks. I have descended Mt. Mitchell, back in the old days, and New Found Gap to Cherokee several times and have had no problem with overheating rims.