Any of you folks riding one of these beauti's dead curious as to how they ride loaded and unloaded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gitC4rKariY.

Looks a lot like the Salsa Vaya Ti. I have a 50cm Vaya Ti but I have not toured on it yet. I've been using it for commuting and some short road rides. It's quite nice.
Lynsky made the Vaya Ti frames but they are now discontinued by Salsa. Looks like Lynsky is continuing to make the frame and just added it to their line.

Touring and Ti? Check out Van Nicholas bikes https://www.vannicholas.com/Touring/5/allbikes.aspx

Note the oversize frame tubes ... adding diameter to a tube increases its ability
to resist the flexing cycles of pedaling the load..

where a lighter , small diameter tube will feel a bit whippy ..


Threre's a review of one in a back issue of the ACA magazine of this NL made rig..

closer to you on the Greenwich Prime meridian side of the Atlantic. than TN USA.

[ Salsa , a QBP brand , is coming from Asian Sources , of late. ]

I have no direct experience with current Ti touring bikes. But I have been happily touring on and off pavement on a Ti Bruce Gordon RNR for the last 25 years. An ovalized and over-sized down tube manages touring loads well. Tire size is limited to 700x47 but worked well on the Divide Ride except for deepest sand.

A friend rode my bike about ten years ago and then had Seven Cycles replicate it in Ti. He rode the Trans Am and then Prudhoe Bay, Alaska to Panama in rapid succession. He has been very pleased with the bike.

thanks folks just curious. that lynsky is a nice bike.

I think Lightspeed was their past brand name ..

you might have to give the thread some more time ..


You ridden Any Titanium tube framed bikes, AntoK?

That looks really sweet, so Santa if you're listening out there, I have an extremely large chimney that would enable you get it down, but if not, I would be more than happy to accept the Traveler version.

i tried the litespeed vortex years ago stunning bike, to be honest steel is my prefaired material but i would certainly love to own that lynskey seems a lot of thought went into it, might be a tad heavy though just guessing on that.
i was very tempted to buy the Van Nicolas few years back but went for the Thorn Sherpa instead.
i'm now on the lookout for another tourer as i sold the sherpa, was thinking of either the Thorn club tour or Spa steel tourer (frame/fork only)the Spa is top of my list so far good price and reynolds 725 tubing

SPA? completely off season .. Rode my Tour bike down the place where the start grid is

for the Spa-Francorchamps Formula one motor race course.

suppose I could have ridden a lap, its apparently Public roads between Race weeks.

RonK over the Australian Cycling Forums tours on a Ti bike, a Sabbath I think. He also has a blog at https://wheelswhisper.blogspot.com.au/.

Andrew

thanks andrew

It's has short chain stays (17.5"/44.5cm) for a loaded touring bike. Rear bags and even averaged sized feet could lead to heel strike issues.

Someone suggested that issue for the Surly Ogre due to its 17" chainstays.
Happy to report no heel strike for me utilising a Tubus Cosmo and Ortlieb rear roller classic's.
I bought some extenders for the rack, just in case, but didnt have to use them.
https://tubus.com/product.php?xn=35

RonK has both a Sabbath Silk Route and a Van Nicholas Pioneer.
Last I heard he was underwhelmed by the Rohloff of the Pioneer.
Both beautiful builds which are a credit to his choice of componentry.

yes i would imagine there plenty of adjustment on ortlieb panniers to solve heel issues..

You can solve one problem with the extenders but created others that are far worse. One of the reasons that touring bikes have such long chainstays is to keep the panniers out of the way of your feet and keep much of the rear load either centered over the rear axle or slightly in front of it. Cantilevering a load beyond the rear axle with the rack extenders puts the load behind the rear axle and can lead to handling issues on many bikes. It also leads to a lightening of the front end. The tail starts to wag the dog, so to speak. This effect is particularly noticeable on high speed downhills where the front end of the bike can wobble. High speed and wobble is not a good thing!

The Van Nicholas Ti frames are made in China.

Evidence required .. So you read the shipping country of origin, Off the carton ?

Couldn't agree more with everything you state, but........... there are many fine touring bikes with 445mm chainstays and less that many people have successfully toured with. I doubt that an additional 2-3% chainstay length is more important than where you place your panniers and how they're packed as to stability. Bottom line, probably not a deal breaker for me or most.

From the Lovely Bicycle blog:
Van Nicholas came into existence 12 years ago and was founded as a brand in 2006. The frames are designed in Numansdorp, Netherlands, built in the Far East (I was not told which country), then finished, assembled and tested back in the Netherlands.

Ah , blog-reading Hearsay ...

not too surprizing Profits are more the further down you drive labor costs , while not lowering prices.

capital accumulation uses it world wide

You didn't provide any evidence.

I don't really care where the frames are made. It's your implication that "Asian Sources" are bad or something that is annoying. That you appear to be wrong about where the Van Nicholas Ti frames are makes your snide comment absurd.

Your post here does't reach "blog" level.

https://www.spanner.org.uk/links/

Ti frames made in Europe or the US are expensive. The Van Nicholas frames are not expensive.

90+% of the bike industry has shifted there ..

Yes. Doesn't everybody already know that? It's another reason your notion Van Nicholas frames were made in NL didn't make sense.