RWTD

As the keto diets were originally popularized by bodybuilders with high protein needs for musclebuilding I too am concerned with non weight trainers consuming extremely high protein levels and even they when on these diets can consume too much if used for energy rather than musclebuilding.I personally believe protein levels should be only enough for musclebuilding and general body maintenence needs and no more or you will run into problems longterm.In fact that is my whole philosophy most whole foods are healthy as long as being utilized as intended but too much or too little can cause problems particularly over the long term.P.S. One thing I find interesting though is cholesterol and triglyeride levels seem to improve inspite of the high saturated fat levels.

Bbmoozer

RWTD... running with the devil? backpack..he he
Yeah, I am shying away from high fat meats - and sticking to chix, fish, pork.. but I'm into week three and find I don't have as much energy for exercise, let alone doing laundry and going from basement to second floor. Legs are weary.
I think the best thing this diet does is wean one from the sugar and processed carbs.

amerpie

DURHAM, N.C. – The high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet popularized by Dr. Robert Atkins has been the subject of heated debate in medical circles for three decades. Now, preliminary research findings at Duke University Medical Center show that a low-carbohydrate diet can indeed lead to significant and sustained weight loss.


https://www.lowcarb.ca/articlesb/article343.html

For more info on this study, do a Google search using the words "atkins diet duke university"

Peace,
Lou

RWTD

Bbmoozer Now what does your name refer too? Also just to nitpick a little pork is not a particularly lean meat and a lean cut of beef such as top round would actually probably be better.Free range bison would be even better yet and might not be so hard to find in Wisc.

cbhungry

“While we’re impressed with the weight loss of this diet, we still are not sure about the safety of it,” Westman said. “More studies need to be done in order to be confident about the long-term safety of this type of diet.”

This is a direct quote from the study which was referenced.

I would not base the safety of the Atkins diet on this study (It's efficacy in weight loss has never been debated) but this was a flawed study for the following reasons:


Number one, it was funded completely by the Atkins center for complementary medicine so there may be some bias for reporting only on the data that supports the program and ignoring the ones that don't. (research bias)

Number two, subjects studied was 51. Over half did not exercise so to extrapolate this study to cyclists or other athletes would be bad. Not to mention 10 dropped out of the study but it gave no reason (ie: did they have kidney stones,etc.) 51 people is not a large enough clinical trial to make firm decisons about the safety of this program.

Number three, they did not take the same population cohort and give them another diet to follow and compare this to the Atkins regimine. Many people's behavior change when they are participating in any clincial trial ie: so was the weight loss due to the atkin's diet only or did particpating in the clinical trial affect results? (This is called particpant bias) This has been a common error in clinical research.


Number 4, they checked cholesterol after six months on the diet, but previous case reports show initial lowering of cholesterol with eventual rise after 6 mos

Number 5, no urinanalysis for proteinuria (protein in urine) was monitored which is one of the concerns with this diet (the development of abnormal proteins in the urine suggesting kidney damage.)

I think Dr. Westman was up front about the limitations of this study. We will see what future ones show.

amerpie

Dang, cbhungry, you are way smart! Thanks for a good analysis of the study.

Since the diet worked for me, I have my own research bias

I rationalize it this way. The potential damage the diet may do is outweighed by the proven damage that obesity does do. Also, although I still limit carbs, I don't come anywhere close to the Atkins recommended levels anymore. My thing is long distance riding and I just have to have a some carbs to fuel that passion.

Thanks again,
Lou

cbhungry

You'r right, obesity is the second most preventable cause of death in this country. The Atkin's diet just may not be for everyone (esp. those with history of kidney stones or kidney damage already) but I certainly have seen success stories myself when it comes to weight loss.

Bbmoozer

Bison?? mmm...don't think so... i am not a big red meat fan. Altho there is a buffalo farm along the highway not too far from here. Once or twice a year I crave a good filet. I'll eat a burger usually a few times in the summer on the grill.
Pork...ain't that the 'other white meat'?
bbmoozer..it's my cat. He's colored like a holstein cow - thus moozer and is cool like bb king.

RWTD

I think thats the marketing hype.Pork is not generally a lean meat though.