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Old 12-21-06, 09:47 AM   #1
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Ordering from IRO

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I have already ordered and own a bike from IRO which I have to the point where I would love another one with better components. I am wondering if anyone has ordered from Tony and were allowed to mail him parts to add onto your bike instead of the stock items he offers??

I also have a few technical questions which I am still learning about and wonder if people with more experience could help me answer so I dont call up IRO and ask them a lot of questions over the phone since it is a business and dont want to tie him up.

Sorry if the list seems long.

Does anyone even know if you can mail him parts to use on your build? Hubs/Cranks/threaded stem??

Phil BB can be used on an Angus frame?? I am contemplating using Paul Cranks that require a Campy taper, could the compatible Phil BB be used?? If not, does the standard BB Tony uses accept Sugino 75s?? I'd just uprade my BB at a later time.

Has anyone found a Chris King Threaded in gold?? All i want is my headset and chain in gold.. there's just something appealing about jiggy jams haha.

Thanks in advance for any help, and post your ordering stories and experiences.
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Old 12-21-06, 09:53 AM   #2
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why mail it to him and ask him to do the work? just take it to a local bike shop.

in my experience, he's glad to send you less than a complete bike, but i don't see why it's got to be him to put your other parts on. seems more complicated than necessary.

he might be willing, but really, he'd know better than we would.

not really directed only at you, but there are lots of "does IRO...?" threads. and while making threads isn't exactly using finite resources, it's something that can be solved by calling IRO instead of asking a messageboard.
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Again, mods, can we get the bug fixed that causes "Singlespeed and Fixed Gear" to display as "IRO Customer Service Question Forum" on some people's screens?

Just call Tony and ask him.
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This guy on ebay has the King in gold

Here.

not sure anything about him.. but he has the Grip Nut and the 2 Nut in gold... although I would call them "yellow" personally.
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Tony's really flexible..It sounds like it would be easier for him to sell you a complete bike less the parts you have, and then you do the work yourself installing your parts or take the bike to a bike shop. It bet if you take the bike to a shop, it would end up the same cost if you were to pay for shipping to tony.
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I figured calling Tony would be more of a hassle, than posting on here and just letting people answer at their leisure, instead of taking 15 min out of their business day asking. And i talked to an LBS here in phila and he even suggested mailing parts to tony instead of bringing them to him even. Why not have it done in one shot instead of getting small things put on elsewhere?

I guess everyone has their own opinions. But if this thread is posted often, I dont know how to delete it, but if someone would tell me how, or a mod?? I wouldnt be adverse to having it removed if its up often? I dont see any related threads in the first 5-7 pages, so i figured i'd ask.

Thanks for the advice already, and if this thread is really such a big deal, delete it.
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the angus bottom bracket shell is 68mm width english threaded. this is a very common threading, i'd bet your phil is too.

sugino 75s have jis taper, they work with the standard iro bottom bracket. pauls have iso (campagnolo taper) and in practice can be used, but are really better suited for an iso bottom bracket. phil makes bottom brackets of both varieties.

don't send him your parts to install, that's just silly.

my customer experience: i called tony on the phone, he answered all my questions in about five minutes, and i ended up with a sweet bike.

edit: it's not a big deal, the search function is great, we still love you.
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Old 12-21-06, 10:07 AM   #8
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Or just email Tony so he can reply in his own time.

I am sure Tony will install the parts but I woul dguess he wont do it for free. By the time you pay to send him the parts and pay him to install them you would have saved yourself some money and if not at least the time to just get it done locally....or you could use the money to buy the tools and go to Parktools.com and read on how to do it.

Any 68mm english threaded BB will work so no problem with that part of your question.

Here is the Chris King in Gold http://www.speedgoat.com/product.asp...t=200&brand=49
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Thanks for all the advice already, was expecting to come back to this later and read all of this, but have already received tons of great info.

I guess I'll email him, and it would be a great idea to install the parts on my own, I'm going to have to do it eventually. Only specific question I am wondering is if.. would the campy taper Phil BB from paul cranks fit onto the angus. I keep going page to page and am finding it difficult.. im not the most internet coherent person.

Thanks again all, and again, if someone wishes to delete the thread. I wont moan and groan.
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dude, call him. trust me.

your questions are not all going to be hashed out in one email (just like they've not yet been in these last ten posts) and it IS a waste of his time to write back and forth a bunch of times when you could just square things away in a short conversation.

and yes, the phill bb with the campy taper will fit into the angus. presuming the cups are english threaded. they probably are, but your bike shop can tell you for sure.

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Only specific question I am wondering is if.. would the campy taper Phil BB from paul cranks fit onto the angus.
Yes IF it is a 68mm English threaded version.

You wont want to do the headset install...that requires a special and more expensive tool to do properly...a bike shop shoul ddo this for $25 or less including pressing the race onto the fork and preping the head tube.
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http://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails...gId=39&id=1388

so this is fine
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yes, and you'll also need some of these:

http://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails...gId=39&id=1202

in iso/british, either stainless steel or aluminum. if you're going to install it yourself you'll need the phil tool as well, i hear it's much easier with two.
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dead-on balls accurate.
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Within reason (i.e. limitations of spindle length that aren't going to come into play unless you're trying to stuff a MTB or road triple length spindle into a track frame), any phil bottom bracket will fit in any bike. A phil BB is three pieces: a spindle/bearing assembly, and two cups that hold it in the frame. By futzing with the position of the cups, you can set your chainline however you want it (within reason as per above).

Sugino 75's are JIS taper, which is what Shimano, Sugino, FSA, Tony's generic stuff that is probably rebadged Shimano or FSA, and any other bottom bracket that doesn't specify it's something else are. If you're ever going to spring for a Phil BB, and the cash is around now, just do it, why throw away even $20? Of course, if you get a campy taper one, you're stuck with only the cranks that work with it, etc...
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OK, I'm going to contradict myself: I may be wrong about this, but I think the Paul chainrings are a proprietary pattern. So you've buying a phil bottom bracket, which is a lifetime investment, to work with a crankset you're probably not going to be able to get chainrings for in 5 years (or you'll be able to but it'll be a PITA). I would just get the $35 campy ACH bottom bracket. There are other campy taper cranks out there, but they're all $$$. If I'm going to invest in a phil BB, I want it to work with everything out there so I can still be running it in 30 years when I'm an old fart on a recumbent.

OK, I'm done
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sugino 75s have jis taper, they work with the standard iro bottom bracket.
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/track_e.html

Sugino says it's ISO, but just about everybody else says that it's JIS. I'm hoping it's a language barrier thing, because I dream of having 75's on a UN-73.
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http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/track_e.html

Sugino says it's ISO, but just about everybody else says that it's JIS. I'm hoping it's a language barrier thing, because I dream of having 75's on a UN-73.
Right, this is a frequently disputed issue. I say just spring for the $75 sugino 75 BB and call it a day.
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ha, well shut my mouth. i typically trust the manufacturer on that sort of thing, but you're right, everybody else disagrees. i'll ask around at some shops.
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If you're ever going to spring for a Phil BB, and the cash is around now, just do it, why throw away even $20? Of course, if you get a campy taper one, you're stuck with only the cranks that work with it, etc...
You could always buy just the phil jis bb spindle if you wanted to switch cranks.
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maybe he's looking for a sealed bottom bracket.. i am myself.. but the shimano un53 is assymetrical right?
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phil's sealed. un53 is asymmetrical in most if not all sizes.
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