Forza

Yep. I was teasing Paul that if it wasn't "known", it was now.

mollusk

Hope you are doing well this weekend. I'm taking a coding break for a bit. Actually got out for a two hour ride yesterday during the football game and I had great legs for about an hour and was kicking myself for not racing.

I agreed to go see Spawn1 at his college the weekend before his birthday without thinking about the State TT. Guess which weekend.

Making great progress on the coding, though. I have the algorithm purring like a kitten in a Python demo. Next I have to code it in C++ to extend a class of objects in a huge open source analysis code and write all of the methods that will be needed for it. That will be mind numbingly boring.

BikeNube

Would you ever be interested in some contract coding work with Skinny Phil and I? I need program written that mirrors the functionality of excel spreadsheet team order forms and backs it all up to a DB that can be accessed from multiple locations. The java one I wrote had like 4 or 5 classes, a ton of enums, and let you create riders and teams, and attach products to each.

rbart4506

Another 2.5 hours of blissful fall riding...Base season is here!

California less then 2 weeks away...

Going to install the compacts...

mollusk

I don't think so.

I'm making about $150/hour doing this coding. I can get that much because I understand the physics and chemistry that is being coded more than just being a good coder. And I'm only doing it because I can later use what I have developed to work on problems that I am interested in research-wise.

I am sure that there are a lot of CISE undergrads that could do what you want for a lot cheaper than that. Maybe some are racers so you could have them do it for in-kind instead of $'s.

TMonk

I often wish that I majored in EE, ME or even computer science instead of chemistry.
I learned this about myself when I took electronics lab during my last semester of school.
The digital part was the best, esp. using flip flop and logic gate chips.

I always got better grades in math (linear, calcIII, differential eq's) than chem. anyway.

There is this guy about my age who works at the nanotechnology company I'm at who's job entitles developing complex algorithms to solve/model problems, system automation, IT, instrumentation and even general machine shop type stuff. His undergrad is in math.

I'm super jealous.

TMonk

I'm fresh off an 80 min. tempo ride.

About to hit up 30 min or so of ab work before my protein shake.

rdy. set. go!

kj5423

ok, so where is all this "tempo" stuff in Friel's book? He doesn't really talk about it at all, and doesn't recommend it in his training plans.

seems like a lot of you guys do long tempo rides. what is the benefit of this, and why does friel avoid it?

echappist

i don't think Friel skirts over it.

Tempo/Z3 is a very economical way to train in terms of time, fitness gain, and physiological gains. SubZ4/subthreshold/sweet spot is by far the most economical.

However, there's a tendency to overdo it in lieu of more intensive stuff, and people end up being somewhat fast but not totally race ready. Though if you are a triathlete, this might be the way to go.

kj5423

ok. thanks

friel really doesn't say much at all about it. mostly talks about doing nothing but z2 in early base, and then going onto more intense stuff. not much in between. should i be doing tempo during base instead of z2? how much of it?

kj5423

ok, i found a good blog post that explains it very well and how it can be worked into a training plan. sounds like long z2 are preferred, but if you don't have time then can benefit from doing shorter rides at tempo pace. makes sense.

https://cyclesportcoaching.blogspot.c...po-riding.html

echappist

do you find your triceps getting sore holding this position? It's by far my favorite, but my triceps do get sore after about an hour in the position.

waterrockets 

Today: ZCI™s. Started off at 4.2W/kg and worked up to 4.3W/kg for the sixth one. With weather in the 80s, I feel human again, and the power looks more like it did back in April before Austin started channeling Phoenix.

mollusk

I have had so little time to ride in the last few months that I feel that I should post here that I was able to get out for 1.5 hours of Zone 2 today. It felt nice to ride.

I'm going to try and get in a ride tomorrow, too.

Crash716

maybe do a pushup once and a while

shovelhd

kensuf may feel otherwise, but I don't usually ride an hour in that position. I don't ride in any single position for an hour in the break. I have to vary it up to stay fresh, and when it's getting close to zero hour, I'd better be on the drops or I'll be in no man's land pretty quick. JRA, I don't feel the need to be aero all the time so I'm not in that position forever.

waterrockets 

Agreed. I don't stay in any position for too long in a race. Even in a fast crit, I spend a lot of time up on the hoods in various hand orientations to keep myself fresh. The drops are included in that rotation, and there are portions of every course where I'm always in the drops (it's windy around here). This includes breaks. If I'm on the front, I'm aero, but other places I may not be.

kensuf

^^ and ^^^^

Creatre

I almost always hurt on the 6th one, always impressive going up.

I think I may do some ZCIs today instead of my normal 2x20, haven't done any of those in a while.

echappist

Thanks for all the responses

one question regarding that particular position, people say about time trials is that you should stay relaxed so that the arm muscles will help clear lactate as opposed to creating more of them. For that particular position, how do you stay relaxed so that it doesn't feel as if your arms are bearing a lot of the weight? The reason i ask this is that collegiate time trials are basically Merckx TT, so i have to stay aero for extended periods of time.

shovelhd

My training status is "Not Training Until December".

shovelhd

Great question. I think the weight your forearms will bear in that position depends on the fit of your bike. The cool thing is that you can vary where the weight falls on the meat of your forearm by grabbing the hoods at different points. You'd be surprised how much of a difference 1/2" of movement can mean to comfort when you're stretched out. To move outward, wrap more of your hand around the hoods, like in kensuf's photo. To sit up a little more and get more wind into your lungs, push back a bit using the crook between your thumb and forefinger and grab more of the shifter body.

I don't use this position that much anymore as the speed bars are better aerodynamically.

kensuf

engage your core. there's really not much weight being placed on my arms, and when I relax them, they act more like shock absorbers / springs.

waterrockets 

Given that you only touch the bike at the feet, rump, and hands, you can also just put out more power. That will unweight the other two areas nicely.

I've found my road bike to be terribly uncomfortable on slow trips with the kids. Not enough weight on my feet.

hammy56

I took a "rest week" last week. 3 days off in a row, then 3 recovery type rides...

and now my legs and lungs dont want to work. The week before last I was killing it, now I cant ride worth a chit...