grolby

I'd say it gives the lie to his press release claim that cycling is just his "hobby," in hilariously ironic fashion.

gsteinb

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2013/...-****ty-lawyer

Ygduf

^^ tl:dr synopsis

gsteinb

he planted drugs into a hammer container but didn't account for what he planted would contain other things he didn't test positive for.

Ygduf

yep. **** I'd pay an extra $10/year on my license to have more people tested.

valygrl

Thanks for that. Never saw this blog before, good one.

JohnKScott

Like

JohnKScott

Since I'll probably be offline for the long upcoming weekend - Happy Thanksgiving to all here who celebrate it. See y'all in December.

aaronmcd

I'm done with this work thing. Going home.

Until Monday

shovelhd

That's about the only thing you and I agree on.

Ygduf

This and LeBron being top-3 all time.

agoodale

It must have been a good letter

https://www.hammernutrition.com/blog/richard-meeker/

Fat Boy

C'mon Meeker, it was a bad supp. Keep beating that drum!!!

https://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...re-cowbell.gif

gsteinb

It was.

shovelhd

Incorrect.

tetonrider

i think it is 90k for him and his wife. those photos of him and his wife are a little...umm...creepy.

Ygduf

I thought for sure you'd have come around by now.

tetonrider

anyone know how many USAC active members there are (those who renew or get a new license)?

i wish there were more testing, too, but i think $10/year/licensee grossly underestimates the cost to administer these programs at any meaningful level. from what i've read, the cost of doing just one test is surprisingly high.

as the system is set up right now, one has to also fail an IQ test to be caught, and that is sad.

Ygduf

Make it $20? I don't know how much it would take, but given that they're running _some_ sort of program, whatever extra $$ to beef it up would be better than none?

I'm also not certain that failing and IQ test and doping in amateur racing wouldn't correlate pretty high, anyway. Though I guess what got Meeker was the element of surprise.

revchuck 

Tony Robbins, the "life coach?"

tetonrider

i'm no expert, but when i read the arbitration document i sense that although he named hammer they left [I]just enough wiggle room (in the part about loose powder and mixing contents of various containers into one race vial, etc.) that he could get out of any defamation (is that the right term WRT corporations?) suit.

on a side note, my wife has interacted with that lawyer. turns out he defends all the dopers. this guy -- meeker, that is -- didn't mess around. he -- the lawyer -- has trotted out the exact same excuse for several clients...including tainted supplements from 2008!

i think he was the attorney for both moninger and neben.

Beaker

I really liked this. But felt strangely conflicted after reading it.

tetonrider

the program is SOOOO minimal. they test a few guys at nationals. i've heard there might be a few events.

i think it was around the time of that NY gran fondo incident when i heard it was something like $1,000 per test. it's not as simple as getting one of those drug tests at a local pharmacy--there's so much more to the handling of these samples.

i'd be happy to pay more for my license AND more per race, but i suspect that many people may not feel the same.

i'm also a big fan of personal shaming and self-policing in the racer community.

c'mon....nobody knew? not a coach, not a teammate, not any competitors? circumstantial evidence is just that--but you'd have to imagine that dozens and dozens of this guy's competition suspected something -- and yet no one said anything?

(i realize meeker didn't have a coach, but many amateur do and it should be pretty apparent for one's coach to see what is up.)

doping is definitely contrary to everything to do with amateur sport, for sure. if i had to guess the doper mentality comes from ego more than lack of intelligence. failing the test, though...that's just stupid.

the thing is meeker DIDN'T fall victim to the element of surprise. he showed up at the ONE place all year that testing the winner is likely, and he won 2 out of 3 events. everyone who showed up to nationals in 2012 should have known this.

my comment was related to a story i heard on the ineffectiveness of WADA at the pro level. i'm paraphrasing dick pound here, but his comment was essentially when you fail a drug test you have failed two tests: a drug test AND an IQ test.

at the amateur level one has to be even more stupid because the testing is so much less frequent. all this guy had to do is stop for 30, 60 days (not sure what it takes), but i guess he just couldn't help himself. life must be hard being that controlled by one's ego.

if i lived in one of these doper-heavy locales i might occasionally rent an RV, slap some sort of 'USADA drug testing' sign on it, and park it near registration at a few of these crits. might be funny to see the reactions.

oh yeah--here's that interview: https://fasterskier.com/article/confe...gainst-doping/

gsteinb

A NJ promoter fake announced testing at his race. Several racers got lost, stuck in traffic and others dropped out. I wasn't there, but it was all the rage on FB at the time.

shovelhd

Nationals already costs a fortune, so what's another few bucks. Nobody tainted should wear the jersey. Test every jersey winner, then test randomly throughout the NRC/NCC season with no forewarning, i.e. "Ride Clean".