Almost had a MUP fight yesterday...
10-15-14, 09:02 AM
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What other signage is there? The bike painted on the bike lane only seems to indicate that's where bikes should be - it does nothing to communicate that that lane is exclusively for use by cyclists. So is there other obvious and repeated signage that does indicate that? If not, then interpretation is up to each individual path user. Some will understand it, some won't.
10-15-14, 09:06 AM
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[QUOTE=Paul Barnard;17218168]People in general can be remarkably oblivious to the world around them./QUOTE]
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
10-15-14, 09:10 AM
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The attack strikes me as somewhat dogmatic. I think that Joey has made some good points about the obligation everyone shares, including pedestrians, to be aware of vehicles operating in the shared facilities. I wouldn’t put the onus entirely on pedestrians but I don’t get that impression from what’s written here.
The problem though is that he is always “bragging” about how he regularly runs red lights and stop signs. At first he says it’s for his “safety,” and now he says it’s out of “politeness” to other road users.
Yes, EVERYONE has an obligation to behave in both a legal and safe manner. However given his posting history Joey has no problems in breaking the law and then coming up with reasons to justify having done so.
As I said, at first it was for his safety, because it is “oh so dangerous” living and cycling in NOLA, now he’s claiming that it is out of “politeness” to other road users. I can’t help but wonder what his next excuse will be for running red lights/stop signs.
Then there are his posts in the past where he says that he has “buzzed” slow moving pedestrians.
I have to say that in all honesty based on what Joey has posted in the past I have to think that he is a much greater danger on the roads then are the motorists that he claims makes it unsafe to obey the law.
10-15-14, 09:14 AM
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Agreed, as I said, I was surprised a few posts back that he and I actually agreed on something. Again, I agree with you, not just red lights, he has also bragged about running stop signs as well.
As I’ve asked him more then once if it is “oh so dangerous” to live in NOLA why does he stay there? Doesn’t common sense say that he should move someplace safer?
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10-15-14, 09:31 AM
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[QUOTE=billyymc;17218659]
Our road ends at and is part of a MUT so I ride it often, yes, all the behaviours brought up here are common and expected, so I ride in the appropriate manner and go with the flow.
I see no reason to get bent out of shape over it, and actually enjoy seeing other people who are happy and enjoying themselves.
People in general can be remarkably oblivious to the world around them./QUOTE]
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
I see no reason to get bent out of shape over it, and actually enjoy seeing other people who are happy and enjoying themselves.
10-15-14, 10:13 AM
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Joey - apparently the meaning and intent of the symbols on the path is not obvious to everyone. I think most people would follow the intent if they understood it - not all, but most. Especially if they understood it's a safety issue for both peds and riders.
What other signage is there? The bike painted on the bike lane only seems to indicate that's where bikes should be - it does nothing to communicate that that lane is exclusively for use by cyclists. So is there other obvious and repeated signage that does indicate that? If not, then interpretation is up to each individual path user. Some will understand it, some won't.
What other signage is there? The bike painted on the bike lane only seems to indicate that's where bikes should be - it does nothing to communicate that that lane is exclusively for use by cyclists. So is there other obvious and repeated signage that does indicate that? If not, then interpretation is up to each individual path user. Some will understand it, some won't.
10-15-14, 10:22 AM
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I never got this until I started riding to work, and on the first warm Friday afternoon . . .
Bikes vs vehicles vs ped's aside, how f***ing clueless do you have to be to stand on a path? I guess I've been walking in Target when the person in front of me suddenly stops. The world doesn't just revolve around you, jerk!
Bikes vs vehicles vs ped's aside, how f***ing clueless do you have to be to stand on a path? I guess I've been walking in Target when the person in front of me suddenly stops. The world doesn't just revolve around you, jerk!
10-15-14, 10:28 AM
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Based on what we’ve seen in the video I would have to agree with you. There appears to be only the bicycle icon on what appears to be the right side of the trail, with an arrow pointing in one direction. Whereas in the other lane there is just a bi-directional arrow and nothing else.
Here in St. Pete, the short ¼-mile or so trail that runs through a nearby park, and then on the longer Pinellas Trail there is the bicycle icon on one side with a bi-directional arrow, and on the other there is a pedestrian icon again, with a bi-directional arrow. And sadly, even with those icons painted on the trail as well as signs posted every I don’t know ¼-mile or so, there are still people who are all over the trail. As well as I’ve said there have been too many times when I have witnessed people on scooters, mopeds, and mini-bikes using the Pinellas Trail, again there are plenty of signs along the trail that make it clear that that is not allowed.
I had a conversation a while back with an elderly woman who said that she could walk wherever she wanted to. Talk about a sense of entitlement. I guess she felt that at her age she was “free” to do what she wanted and where she wanted.
Hopefully when she gets yelled at/told by other cyclists to move over she doesn’t get bent out of shape and realizes that if she was on the correct side of the trail that she wouldn’t be yelled at or told to move over.
Then there are also those who are walking dogs on the trail and are either allowing their dogs to run free, or are using the leashes that are longer then 6’. Even though there are plenty of signs along the Pinellas Trail that inform people that if they’re walking their dogs that the leashes cannot be longer then 6’.
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10-15-14, 10:42 AM
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I never got this until I started riding to work, and on the first warm Friday afternoon . . .
Bikes vs vehicles vs ped’s aside, how f***ing clueless do you have to be to stand on a path? I guess I’ve been walking in Target when the person in front of me suddenly stops. The world doesn’t just revolve around you, jerk!
Bikes vs vehicles vs ped’s aside, how f***ing clueless do you have to be to stand on a path? I guess I’ve been walking in Target when the person in front of me suddenly stops. The world doesn’t just revolve around you, jerk!
The thing I have to laugh at with these path blockers is when they’re called on their behavior they act as if they’re the victim and that they haven’t done anything wrong.
Case in point is the OP, where the OP said that after presumably the wife of one of the members of the larger group presumably lied to her husband about what was said between them possibly in the hopes of seeing her husband “teach him a lesson.” Which again is evidenced by the fact that as the OP, his girlfriend and their friend were loading their vehicles getting ready to leave, when the husband came over to the OP “demanding” to know what was said to his wife.
Also after having gone back and re-reading what the OP had posted he said that he felt as if the husband of the wife from the larger group was looking for a fight, or words to that effect.
To those who questioned my saying that the larger group was “spoiling” for a fight that is where I got that impression.
The bottom line here is that if one does not wish to be confronted in a negative manner on a pubic trail/MUP/path the solution is simple do not block said trail/MUP or path. Yes, by being a public trail/MUP or path everyone has an equal right to use it, that does not mean that one group has the “right” to block forcing other users to have to go into the grass in order to go around them.
I hope that these same people would not do the same thing on a road, but sadly, I can see some of them doing so, and again reacting as if they were the victim instead of the cause of the problem.
10-15-14, 10:54 AM
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Based on what we’ve seen in the video I would have to agree with you. There appears to be only the bicycle icon on what appears to be the right side of the trail, with an arrow pointing in one direction. Whereas in the other lane there is just a bi-directional arrow and nothing else.
Here in St. Pete, the short ¼-mile or so trail that runs through a nearby park, and then on the longer Pinellas Trail there is the bicycle icon on one side with a bi-directional arrow, and on the other there is a pedestrian icon again, with a bi-directional arrow. And sadly, even with those icons painted on the trail as well as signs posted every I don’t know ¼-mile or so, there are still people who are all over the trail. As well as I’ve said there have been too many times when I have witnessed people on scooters, mopeds, and mini-bikes using the Pinellas Trail, again there are plenty of signs along the trail that make it clear that that is not allowed.
I had a conversation a while back with an elderly woman who said that she could walk wherever she wanted to. Talk about a sense of entitlement. I guess she felt that at her age she was “free” to do what she wanted and where she wanted.
Hopefully when she gets yelled at/told by other cyclists to move over she doesn’t get bent out of shape and realizes that if she was on the correct side of the trail that she wouldn’t be yelled at or told to move over.
Then there are also those who are walking dogs on the trail and are either allowing their dogs to run free, or are using the leashes that are longer then 6’. Even though there are plenty of signs along the Pinellas Trail that inform people that if they’re walking their dogs that the leashes cannot be longer then 6’.
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Based on what we’ve seen in the video I would have to agree with you. There appears to be only the bicycle icon on what appears to be the right side of the trail, with an arrow pointing in one direction. Whereas in the other lane there is just a bi-directional arrow and nothing else.
Here in St. Pete, the short ¼-mile or so trail that runs through a nearby park, and then on the longer Pinellas Trail there is the bicycle icon on one side with a bi-directional arrow, and on the other there is a pedestrian icon again, with a bi-directional arrow. And sadly, even with those icons painted on the trail as well as signs posted every I don’t know ¼-mile or so, there are still people who are all over the trail. As well as I’ve said there have been too many times when I have witnessed people on scooters, mopeds, and mini-bikes using the Pinellas Trail, again there are plenty of signs along the trail that make it clear that that is not allowed.
I had a conversation a while back with an elderly woman who said that she could walk wherever she wanted to. Talk about a sense of entitlement. I guess she felt that at her age she was “free” to do what she wanted and where she wanted.
Hopefully when she gets yelled at/told by other cyclists to move over she doesn’t get bent out of shape and realizes that if she was on the correct side of the trail that she wouldn’t be yelled at or told to move over.
Then there are also those who are walking dogs on the trail and are either allowing their dogs to run free, or are using the leashes that are longer then 6’. Even though there are plenty of signs along the Pinellas Trail that inform people that if they’re walking their dogs that the leashes cannot be longer then 6’.
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I love your signature.
Anyway, When I ride on the MUP, I'm looking out for pedestrians, will buzz those thoughtless ***** who walk line abreast as if the entire 16 foot trail is theirs and theirs alone and give everyone else all the room they're entitled to. I don't overtake when I can't see what's coming, nor if there's no room. I go through lights and stop signs if there's nothing coming. I am annoyed intensely by those who think it's reasonable behavior to ride 30 mph on the MUP. I carry a bottle of lemon juice in a squeeze bottle for runaway dogs and *WILL* use it even if their owner is present (I won't be bitten again). I think I'm a fairly reasonable and conscientious rider and I've never had anyone try to bully me for it. Well, no one that wasn't in a car, and there was this one guy that insisted on riding straight at me and kept in front of me until I stopped but that's because he was a bible-bashing nut, not because I was doing anything wrong (I'll go into that story upon request). Everyone has a right to use the MUP, but it's a PATH, not a picnic table, not a racetrack, not a parking lot. If you need to stop, GET OFF THE PATH. If you feel the need for speed, USE THE ROAD, and don't ***** when people scream at you to slow down after nearly mowing down their dog/kid/grandmother. And for God's sakes, PAY ATTENTION!!! The world revolves around no one person, no matter how important you think you are.
10-15-14, 10:55 AM
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[QUOTE=billyymc;17218659]
Well said!
Some trail users become totally oblivious to their surroundings. I live in an inner city. To be oblivious to your surroundings makes you the ideal victim. At the same time consideration for others has become something of a lost art. You see it on our roads and sidewalks in many cities. My problem is that in my 35 years in large chemical plants I have about 3,000 hours of safety training behind me. In dangerous jobs you must constantly be aware of your surroundings and any danger. That carries over into my time away from that type of work. But few people have that background so the idea of creating a dangerous situation for others simply never enters their minds.
The one MUP we normally ride is even set up to create trail blockages. The parks dept. sets up their trail information stands right along the edge of the trail and usually where the trail splits. So those wishing to view the trail maps or other posted information have no choice but to stand on the trail thus blocking the trail in both directions.
People in general can be remarkably oblivious to the world around them./QUOTE]
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
Paul - good post, and imo this comment sums up most of the problems on MUPs. I know people who I consider smart, considerate, compassionate people - who at times don't see what's going on around them or have difficulty understanding a situation, concept, or customary behavior.
Some trail users become totally oblivious to their surroundings. I live in an inner city. To be oblivious to your surroundings makes you the ideal victim. At the same time consideration for others has become something of a lost art. You see it on our roads and sidewalks in many cities. My problem is that in my 35 years in large chemical plants I have about 3,000 hours of safety training behind me. In dangerous jobs you must constantly be aware of your surroundings and any danger. That carries over into my time away from that type of work. But few people have that background so the idea of creating a dangerous situation for others simply never enters their minds.
The one MUP we normally ride is even set up to create trail blockages. The parks dept. sets up their trail information stands right along the edge of the trail and usually where the trail splits. So those wishing to view the trail maps or other posted information have no choice but to stand on the trail thus blocking the trail in both directions.
10-15-14, 11:00 AM
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And I choose to live in New Orleans for political reasons I can not discuss on this forum and would not want to.
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10-15-14, 11:14 AM
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My girlfriend wanted to get in 20 miles yesterday and it was really windy. There area I normally ride is fairly hilly and with the wind, it can be a beating. So we along with another friend decided to load up and go to the local MUP for an easy ride.
At the 10 mile mark, we stopped at the trail head to go to the restroom and get some water. A larger group of riders started ahead of us. After a few minutes, we started back. We came across the larger group of riders blocking the MUP at two points. We made it past them and didn't say anything. I jokingly said to my girlfriend, "we'll see them blocking the path on the way back."
Sure enough, we come around a blind turn on the way back and there is half of their crew. Turned sideways on the path, blocking the whole trail. They move in time, we again didn't say anything to them. We made it back to the beginning of the MUP at the trailhead where there is a small exit path that leads to the parking lot and you guessed it, the other half of their group was standing there off their bikes, blocking the path exit. I said apparently in a gruff tone, "move your bikes so we can get off the trail."
We exited the trail and did three loops around the park to round out our ride to 20 miles. We stopped back at the trailhead where I was parked. The same group was there, they said nothing. We talked for a couple of minutes and started putting up our bikes to leave when the other half of their group came pedaling up fast to my truck and jumped off their bikes saying, "you don't have to be a dick!"
And I looked around. I thought he was talking to someone else. He said it again, I asked him if he was talking to me and he said yes. I asked him why and he said his wife told him that I had yelled at her. And I told him he was mistaken, that I told them to move their bikes so we could exit the trail and that was it. And he said, "Well I'm going to believe her over you," and he started walking towards me to fight. Another male from his party started yelling and walked towards me as well.
At that point, I realized there was no talking to be done here. I immediately started shaking my head and loading my bikes. They turned and started walking back to their group still yelling expletives at me. My girlfriend threw a few words at them, that riled them up again. I just kept loading the bikes.
My other friend started talking to them again saying, what you want? An apology? And the guy said yes. So he said, we're sorry. I kept loading my bikes. He told my friend to apologize to his wife. My friend apologized to his wife and that seemed to diffuse them a bit. I shook my friend's hand and he got in his truck and left. I got into my truck with my girlfriend and left as well.
It was a tough one for me. To walk away. I've trained martial arts all my life and spent some time working as a bouncer in my youth. I'm very familiar with the pre stages of a fight and I'm fairly sure I could have ended a physical conflict with the guy in short order, but he was there were his family for Sunday evening ride. Wires just got crossed. I wasn't going to play into his itch to fight me and make it a bad day for everyone. But I can't say I didn't want to
I guess I just posted this to say, be careful when dealing with newbs on the MUPs
At the 10 mile mark, we stopped at the trail head to go to the restroom and get some water. A larger group of riders started ahead of us. After a few minutes, we started back. We came across the larger group of riders blocking the MUP at two points. We made it past them and didn't say anything. I jokingly said to my girlfriend, "we'll see them blocking the path on the way back."
Sure enough, we come around a blind turn on the way back and there is half of their crew. Turned sideways on the path, blocking the whole trail. They move in time, we again didn't say anything to them. We made it back to the beginning of the MUP at the trailhead where there is a small exit path that leads to the parking lot and you guessed it, the other half of their group was standing there off their bikes, blocking the path exit. I said apparently in a gruff tone, "move your bikes so we can get off the trail."
We exited the trail and did three loops around the park to round out our ride to 20 miles. We stopped back at the trailhead where I was parked. The same group was there, they said nothing. We talked for a couple of minutes and started putting up our bikes to leave when the other half of their group came pedaling up fast to my truck and jumped off their bikes saying, "you don't have to be a dick!"
And I looked around. I thought he was talking to someone else. He said it again, I asked him if he was talking to me and he said yes. I asked him why and he said his wife told him that I had yelled at her. And I told him he was mistaken, that I told them to move their bikes so we could exit the trail and that was it. And he said, "Well I'm going to believe her over you," and he started walking towards me to fight. Another male from his party started yelling and walked towards me as well.
At that point, I realized there was no talking to be done here. I immediately started shaking my head and loading my bikes. They turned and started walking back to their group still yelling expletives at me. My girlfriend threw a few words at them, that riled them up again. I just kept loading the bikes.
My other friend started talking to them again saying, what you want? An apology? And the guy said yes. So he said, we're sorry. I kept loading my bikes. He told my friend to apologize to his wife. My friend apologized to his wife and that seemed to diffuse them a bit. I shook my friend's hand and he got in his truck and left. I got into my truck with my girlfriend and left as well.
It was a tough one for me. To walk away. I've trained martial arts all my life and spent some time working as a bouncer in my youth. I'm very familiar with the pre stages of a fight and I'm fairly sure I could have ended a physical conflict with the guy in short order, but he was there were his family for Sunday evening ride. Wires just got crossed. I wasn't going to play into his itch to fight me and make it a bad day for everyone. But I can't say I didn't want to
I guess I just posted this to say, be careful when dealing with newbs on the MUPs
despotism of the masses in my view
good for you and your friend taking the higher road
10-15-14, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
Actually IF I am not mistaken in most areas of the USA there is a little thing called citizens arrest.
10-15-14, 12:33 PM
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My off duty arrest powers for violations only includes violations that cause a "breach of the peace". Which this obviously doesn't A citizens arrest for a violation would be fantastic. And, I'm not even certain that blocking a path in a park would even be a violation. Again, not one LEO in 1000 would even consider getting involved with an issue like this on his/her own time. But this is the hill these keyboard warriors are willing to die on. Hilarious.
10-15-14, 12:52 PM
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If you look back in any post NOT titled “Red Light Running” you will find that others bring that subject up to support THEIR agenda of compliance with dumb laws. I just follow their lead in self defense and wonder why it keeps coming up. I’ve been profiled and some here love to pound their chests about their law abiding style.
And I choose to live in New Orleans for political reasons I can not discuss on this forum and would not want to.
And I choose to live in New Orleans for political reasons I can not discuss on this forum and would not want to.
The problem is that your story keeps changing. One time you’re telling us that you run red lights and stop lights because (according to you) it is unsafe not to. Now you’re telling us that you are doing so to be “polite” to other road users.
I forget the reasons that you’ve given us in the past why you remain somewhere where you claim that in order for your to be “safe” that you “have” to break the law. Is for “political reasons.” And given that this IS the USA unless you are a convicted felon who has their freedom of movement limited by an ankle monitor I can’t see why you “have” to live in NOLA.
Also in the past you have posted videos where you’ve been laughing as you’ve buzzed pedestrians trying to cross the road.
Joey, as I’ve recently said from what you’ve posted you are the danger on the road. You can rationalize your running red lights and stop signs all you want, but you are the one who is creating the danger.
10-15-14, 01:07 PM
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Those are not mutually exclusive.
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My off duty arrest powers for violations only includes violations that cause a "breach of the peace". Which this obviously doesn't A citizens arrest for a violation would be fantastic. And, I'm not even certain that blocking a path in a park would even be a violation. Again, not one LEO in 1000 would even consider getting involved with an issue like this on his/her own time. But this is the hill these keyboard warriors are willing to die on. Hilarious.
It's not hilarious that citizens believe that only a cop with a badge has this authority, or that a cop or ex-cop would mock it. It is sad though.
10-15-14, 01:30 PM
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Maybe every MUP should have signage that reads something like this:
"This is a multi use path. There will be users of varying abilities, speeds, and intelligence. Please don't be a d--chebag. Thank you."
Then we'd just have to argue over what constitutes a d--chebag.
"This is a multi use path. There will be users of varying abilities, speeds, and intelligence. Please don't be a d--chebag. Thank you."
Then we'd just have to argue over what constitutes a d--chebag.
10-15-14, 01:31 PM
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my usual go-to in such situations is, as I'm rolling up to the oblivious people:
me, really loud and clear: "KNOCK KNOCK"
them: continuing to be oblivious but perhaps showing early signs of waking up from their trance
me, again, nice and loud: "WHO'S THERE"
them: blank expression becoming quizzical
me, as I am riding past them a little to closely and with perhaps a bit more speed than necessary: A BIKER WHO IS ALSO USING THIS TRAIL THANKS FOR STAYING ON YOUR SIDE
me, really loud and clear: "KNOCK KNOCK"
them: continuing to be oblivious but perhaps showing early signs of waking up from their trance
me, again, nice and loud: "WHO'S THERE"
them: blank expression becoming quizzical
me, as I am riding past them a little to closely and with perhaps a bit more speed than necessary: A BIKER WHO IS ALSO USING THIS TRAIL THANKS FOR STAYING ON YOUR SIDE
10-15-14, 01:32 PM
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Why would I call him out for minimizing the inconvenience he causes for other road users? Or for wanting to increase the safety of his riding? That's doesn't sound anything like a sense of entitlement.
10-15-14, 01:54 PM
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How is wantonly breaking the law and then “justifying” it by claiming to do it for one’s safety, or because they’re claiming that they’re trying to be “polite” not a sense of entitlement?
The laws only work, when we ALL obey them. The last time I checked we do NOT have the “right” to pick and choose which laws we will follow and which ones we won’t. If there is a law that we disagree with we can’t just ignore it, we need to work to have it either amended or repealed. We do not get to just break it because we do not agree with it.
Doing so IS acting with a sense of entitlement. Particularly given some of the videos that Joey has posted where he’s been laughing as he’s not only blowing through red lights and stop signs, but also buzzing pedestrians.
10-15-14, 02:13 PM
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So there is yet ANOTHER angle I can play here. Handing me some laws designed for motor vehicles is lazy, uninformed, and dangerous. I will not comply with the ones that make no sense, but I will comply with laws that do make sense. As always, I break the law in a manner that does not put anyone else out.
I will admit that buzzing a rude MUP user may or may not be illegal. I do not know. And I have yet to hit anyone that I purposely "woke up" with an unnecessarily close pass. I have hit one pedestrian in recent history who literally dove in front of me on a narrow street. Did not fall or knock him down. HE apologized.
Sometimes accurate history speaks for itself.
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Jaywalk3r,
How is wantonly breaking the law and then “justifying” it by claiming to do it for one’s safety, or because they’re claiming that they’re trying to be “polite” not a sense of entitlement?
The laws only work, when we ALL obey them. The last time I checked we do NOT have the “right” to pick and choose which laws we will follow and which ones we won’t. If there is a law that we disagree with we can’t just ignore it, we need to work to have it either amended or repealed. We do not get to just break it because we do not agree with it.
Doing so IS acting with a sense of entitlement. Particularly given some of the videos that Joey has posted where he’s been laughing as he’s not only blowing through red lights and stop signs, but also buzzing pedestrians.
How is wantonly breaking the law and then “justifying” it by claiming to do it for one’s safety, or because they’re claiming that they’re trying to be “polite” not a sense of entitlement?
The laws only work, when we ALL obey them. The last time I checked we do NOT have the “right” to pick and choose which laws we will follow and which ones we won’t. If there is a law that we disagree with we can’t just ignore it, we need to work to have it either amended or repealed. We do not get to just break it because we do not agree with it.
Doing so IS acting with a sense of entitlement. Particularly given some of the videos that Joey has posted where he’s been laughing as he’s not only blowing through red lights and stop signs, but also buzzing pedestrians.
What if we aren't all obeying them; what if, in fact, those roads are to a high degree lawless? Specifically, people are ignoring the red lights and not just one or two on the stale yellow but significant disregard for the light? As you said, the law won't work in those conditions. And if drivers randomly blow the light it may actually be safer to proceed in a more empty intersection than to wait for the signal.
And secondly, if it really is dangerous to be stopped at certain intersections because of lawless individuals? The law doesn't expect us to accept a seriously dangerous situation just to remain in obedience to traffic code. Or even more serious statutes.
Since I don't know the conditions in New Orleans, and it seems at least plausible given recent history, I have to lend some credence to the description by a native. If true, or even plausible, then it rates at least my reserving judgment on routinely running reds.