Broken spokes...
#101
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My last 2 builds I didn't use any gauges. One Co-op is still playing hospital. Pfffft
My fork is always the stand anyway. I use a piece of black tape for the round and just hold a piece of plastic for the side.
Did the flipflop for centering.
For finish tension I use my thumb and fingers to squeeze parallel spokes, same as what the tool does. Too loose is obvious. When too tight they only squeeze a mm and get hard to turn the nipple. Each spoke bending about 2 mm is about right, for mine anyway.
After a year it likely needs tightening when the holes settle in.
So is the OP doing the same thing over and over and expecting a magic diff result, or getting 2.3/ 2.0 spokes?? LOL.
My fork is always the stand anyway. I use a piece of black tape for the round and just hold a piece of plastic for the side.
Did the flipflop for centering.
For finish tension I use my thumb and fingers to squeeze parallel spokes, same as what the tool does. Too loose is obvious. When too tight they only squeeze a mm and get hard to turn the nipple. Each spoke bending about 2 mm is about right, for mine anyway.
After a year it likely needs tightening when the holes settle in.
So is the OP doing the same thing over and over and expecting a magic diff result, or getting 2.3/ 2.0 spokes?? LOL.
thanks
#102
You're breaking spokes because your current wheel isn't up to the task of handling your weight. That could be due to the budget spoke and rim choice by the manufacturer, or it could be due to poor wheel building (these are all automatic machines built, not human built). The first thing for you to do is to retention the spokes yourself using the current existing spokes. Do that before you start replacing stuff. I suggest you read the below, close Bike Forums and call it a day. I wouldn't bother paying a shop to work on the wheel for you. It's a simple job that you can learn in no time.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
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The first thing for you to do is to re-tension the spokes yourself using the current existing spokes. Do that before you start replacing stuff. I suggest you read the below, close Bike Forums and call it a day. I wouldn't bother paying a shop to work on the wheel for you. It's a simple job that you can learn in no time.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
I sort of got "arm-twisted" into starting to build my own wheels (story, briefly, HERE), but have never regretted it.
#104
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I go by the "two spoke rule". Anyone can break a spoke. You fix it and continue. Anyone can break another spoke. You fix that one as well. After that, you buy a new wheel.
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To me more clear, anyone can break a spoke even if there is no problem. You might even break another, according to my rule. Stuff happens. However, when you snap the third, the wheel is in need of more attention than just a new spoke.
#107
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No. Whether it's one spoke or a couple, you look for the root cause which is 90% of the time going to be uneven spoke tension. After the first one, it's a clear sign that the wheel needs professional attention, not replacement.
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Uneven spoke tension, or (more uncommonly on newer bikes) insufficient spoke tension, or both. That's assuming no obvious previous damage from, e.g., potholes, derailleur running into spokes, etc.
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e0richt did seek professional attention and they gave him an answer that I can’t properly say the way in which it is wrong. Let’s just say that it something that falls out of the northbound end of a southbound horse. e0richt needs better spokes, not just more tension.
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I like to think I can learn what I need to, in order to give "professional attention" to a wheel...
my local shop does have a professional mechanic but after a period of time, I have determined they are not skilled with wheels...
hopefully, the information I have received here in other responses has the information I would need to give the wheel professional attention.
I have gotten the DT swiss spokes and a couple of tools (nipple driver, tension meter)... so the next step was to retension the wheels and try it out.
I haven't broken a spoke at this point but I expect it will happen and then I will break the wheel down and relace it using the new double butted spokes.
I would have gone directly to rebuilding the wheel but there were some other time drains that I needed to handle and I am in a mood to experiment a bit.
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I have to ask... what does "professional attention" mean exactly? ....
I like to think I can learn what I need to, in order to give "professional attention" to a wheel...
my local shop does have a professional mechanic but after a period of time, I have determined they are not skilled with wheels...
hopefully, the information I have received here in other responses has the information I would need to give the wheel professional attention.
I like to think I can learn what I need to, in order to give "professional attention" to a wheel...
my local shop does have a professional mechanic but after a period of time, I have determined they are not skilled with wheels...
hopefully, the information I have received here in other responses has the information I would need to give the wheel professional attention.
I have gotten the DT swiss spokes and a couple of tools (nipple driver, tension meter)... so the next step was to retension the wheels and try it out.
I haven't broken a spoke at this point but I expect it will happen and then I will break the wheel down and relace it using the new double butted spokes.
I would have gone directly to rebuilding the wheel but there were some other time drains that I needed to handle and I am in a mood to experiment a bit.
I haven't broken a spoke at this point but I expect it will happen and then I will break the wheel down and relace it using the new double butted spokes.
I would have gone directly to rebuilding the wheel but there were some other time drains that I needed to handle and I am in a mood to experiment a bit.
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My experience over many, many years is that while a local bike shop mechanic might be paid to be a mechanic, that doesn’t necessarily make them “professional”. Your experience is relatively typical when it comes to wheels. Many “professional” mechanics may know how to adjust the true of a wheel but that’s the limit of their skill and knowledge. Wheel building is beyond most mechanics knowledge and wheel dynamics is beyond even many who know how to build wheels. “Tension” is over used and over blown as a solution to your situation (as well as mine). With equal tension and build quality, a stronger spoke makes for a stronger wheel.
Good luck.
Good luck.
im sure it didn't come through before but wanted to make it explicit...
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