I hate wheels! Hub rebuild Help
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I hate wheels! Hub rebuild Help
I have a set of old Dura-Ace hubs which I need to change out the bearings. I am going to get new rims, spokes, and salvage these hubs with new bearings. I don't know anything about wheels and hate working on them with a passion.
1) What are the best value clincher rims on the market?
2) Can somebody give me a link/explain the process of making my old hubs feel like new again?
Thank you
1) What are the best value clincher rims on the market?
2) Can somebody give me a link/explain the process of making my old hubs feel like new again?
Thank you
#4
Me too. Or at least have them built by someone else. If you really hate wheels, you'll hate building them, and you'll rush through the process and get more and more frustrated.
There are tons of rims out there. What are you going to do with them (race, tour, etc.)? How many spokes? Price range? These need to be answered to give a worthwhile response.
How to re-grease your hubs: https://sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/hubs.html
There are tons of rims out there. What are you going to do with them (race, tour, etc.)? How many spokes? Price range? These need to be answered to give a worthwhile response.
How to re-grease your hubs: https://sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/hubs.html
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Not racing. I want a durable wheel but not heavy. Id weight importance 60% durability, 40% weight. Price isn't a huge deal. I'd like to keep it under $100/rim but it depends. Spokes are 32.
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And no no no I will not buy a new set of wheels. I think my hate of wheels stems from a lack of knowledge. Which will be cleared up after I learn from torturing myself with this project.
-And thanks fast jake for the sheldon link.
-And thanks fast jake for the sheldon link.
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Assuming the rear uses a freehub - chances are it is on it's last legs. You should get an opinion on that first before anything else...
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Disclaimer:
1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:
Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
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Spokes are expensive, too. Unless you find comparable rims that could be used with your existing spokes, you'll be out the cost of spokes, too. I assume no truing stand? Spoke tension meter? These aren't essential, but greatly increase the chance you'll do it right and the wheels will stay true. At the end of the day, I bet you'll save money on a used wheelset compared to new rims, spokes, rim tape, bearings, tires?, etc.
But building wheels is a nice skill to have. Just may not be the cheapest/best option in this case given the info you provided.
But building wheels is a nice skill to have. Just may not be the cheapest/best option in this case given the info you provided.
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Assuming the hubs are usable and the free-hub doesn't need replacement, I would use Velocity Aerohead up front and Aerohead OC in the rear. They are a "best value" in my mind. at $53 and $54 respectively https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1712 and https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1712
I usually work with Wheelsmith spokes. Double butted will provide the strongest build to hit your goal of durability without being too heavy. https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...4&category=778
and nipples https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...8&category=777
That's around $180 in parts and should produce very good wheels but that's not the challenge. Make sure you do a lot of reading and feel confident that you want to learn the skill. Wheel-building is a great skill-set to learn. Just read up and take your time.
Some other Links to reading:
https://www.wellspokenwheels.com/wsw1.htm
https://www.gtgtandems.com/tech/wheandhub.html
https://www.miketechinfo.com/new-tech-wheels-tires.htm
https://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tension.htm
I usually work with Wheelsmith spokes. Double butted will provide the strongest build to hit your goal of durability without being too heavy. https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...4&category=778
and nipples https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...8&category=777
That's around $180 in parts and should produce very good wheels but that's not the challenge. Make sure you do a lot of reading and feel confident that you want to learn the skill. Wheel-building is a great skill-set to learn. Just read up and take your time.
Some other Links to reading:
https://www.wellspokenwheels.com/wsw1.htm
https://www.gtgtandems.com/tech/wheandhub.html
https://www.miketechinfo.com/new-tech-wheels-tires.htm
https://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/tension.htm
Last edited by blamp28; 02-25-11 at 05:26 AM. Reason: to add links
#10
Spokes are expensive, too. Unless you find comparable rims that could be used with your existing spokes, you'll be out the cost of spokes, too. I assume no truing stand? Spoke tension meter? These aren't essential, but greatly increase the chance you'll do it right and the wheels will stay true. At the end of the day, I bet you'll save money on a used wheelset compared to new rims, spokes, rim tape, bearings, tires?, etc.
But building wheels is a nice skill to have. Just may not be the cheapest/best option in this case given the info you provided.
But building wheels is a nice skill to have. Just may not be the cheapest/best option in this case given the info you provided.
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You'll definitely want to get some guidance before attempting a wheel build (for safety's sake)! I'd highly recommend this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-...8635713&sr=1-1
I've built all my own wheels (and some for my kids) since 1988 using Jobst's methods, and have never had one fail. Here's my favorite new sport rim (since my beloved MA-40's are no longer available)
https://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?Item=100008191
One more tip: wear safety glasses while tensioning the spokes! Good luck!
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-...8635713&sr=1-1
I've built all my own wheels (and some for my kids) since 1988 using Jobst's methods, and have never had one fail. Here's my favorite new sport rim (since my beloved MA-40's are no longer available)
https://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?Item=100008191 One more tip: wear safety glasses while tensioning the spokes! Good luck!
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Lots of wheels and old parts, not enough time
1989 Cannondale 3.0 Criterium (Built from frameset)
1989 Cannondale 3.0 SR900 (Full Campy)
1989/90 Cannondale 3.0 Road (frame only)
1989 Cannondale 3.0 Criterium (frame only)
1990 Cannondale 3.0 Criterium (frame only)
1986 Trek 400
1986 Raleigh Elkhorn (MTB)
1973 Raleigh Super Course
Lots of wheels and old parts, not enough time
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You'll definitely want to get some guidance before attempting a wheel build (for safety's sake)! I'd highly recommend this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-...8635713&sr=1-1
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wheel-...8635713&sr=1-1
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I am with the buy new crowd. if you are having difficulty and dreading overhauling the hubs building new wheels around these hubs may be a bit much for you.
last winter I had several pair of wheels built at a cost of about $250 to $300+per pair. I wanted very specific wheels though, old school tubular rims on shimano cassette hubs, with radial or crowsfoot lacing. unless you have such needs you may be better off buying new.
last winter I had several pair of wheels built at a cost of about $250 to $300+per pair. I wanted very specific wheels though, old school tubular rims on shimano cassette hubs, with radial or crowsfoot lacing. unless you have such needs you may be better off buying new.
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If you are mechanically inclined the jobs are not that hard. I second the Mavic Open Sport. The Park Tool site has good info on repairing the hubs. https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-...es/hub-service
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+1 on the jobst book and the Open Sport rims.I built my wheels for the first time with those rims,Sansin($12 pair on e-bay-perfect condition) hubs and help from That book as well as the SheldonBrown site and the Zinn book.(Zinn and the art of road bike maintenance)I built my wheels myself cause the choice of new ones with 126mm spacing were limited and I don't trust or wish to pay any lbs mechanic!The wheels are a great source of pride as they came out splendidly.I recommend you practice truing on old disposable rims first!
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As several posters mentioned, it is often less expensive to buy complete wheels than to have your own hubs built up, particularly if you have to pay anything near retail for rims and spokes, and in spades if you pay a shop to do the build or have to get all the needed tooling to do it properly.
Finally, if you are determined to build your own, my favorite rim is the Mavic CXP-33 for durability and reasonable weight. And, by all means, get a good book before starting the project. The Brandt manual is one of the good ones and the Sheldon Brown reference is also very useful.
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Go here and download the wheel building chapter. https://www.bbinstitute.com/index.php
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Thank you so much! I want to keep these hubs because they are a part of a grouppo of the first generation of dura ace STI shifters. I have the complete group and would like to keep my bicycle in that condition. I want to upgrade the rims because they have the original mavic something or anothers which are all used up.
-First step. Dig out old bearings and see what I have sloshing around in there.
-Second step. If all is well, purchase bearings and do all hub work myself.
-Third step. Purchase new rims. Either Velocity A-23's or Kinlin XR 300's.
-Fourth step. Hand it all over to a wheel builder and ask him to order the correct size DT Swiss spokes.
-Fifth step. Pay more than I want to, and maintain happiness.
This plan couldn't possibly go wrong, could it?
-First step. Dig out old bearings and see what I have sloshing around in there.
-Second step. If all is well, purchase bearings and do all hub work myself.
-Third step. Purchase new rims. Either Velocity A-23's or Kinlin XR 300's.
-Fourth step. Hand it all over to a wheel builder and ask him to order the correct size DT Swiss spokes.
-Fifth step. Pay more than I want to, and maintain happiness.
This plan couldn't possibly go wrong, could it?
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